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It IS a limitation, whether or not you choose to treat it as one, even though it's not listed in chapter two. I quoted the FCOM, it's very clear. Don't call it a limitation if you prefer, but you are supposed to comply with the book, and the books says to ENSURE you have either 2 or 5 minutes of warmup.
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Dude, just read the FCOM, it's not at all vague. Your opinion isn't required. Cooldown is NOT a limitation, even an unwritten one. If you arrive at the gate and 3 minutes haven't passed, you can shut them down on the ceo. You do have to wait 3 minutes for OET. It is a mandatory cooldown for the neo, even after a short taxi to the gate. None of those are limitations though, which has a specific definition, requiring strict observation and a logbook entry for exceedence. They ARE good operating practice, and you can be sure it'll be talking point if you bust them in training or during a check.
"Operate engine at or near idle for 2 minutes prior to takeoff (5 minutes if the engine has been shut down for 2 hours or more)." [ 3.15.2 & 3.16.4 ]
What part of that do you interpret as an opinion? Seems pretty cut-and-dried SOP to me. You do whatever you choose though, you don't have to answer to me.
Not sure what you mean about OET and 3 minutes? 3.30.4 says "Operate the engine at or near idle thrust for 3 minutes prior to shutdown." Didn't see a 'should', 'might', 'may', or 'maybe' in there. Throw a 'will' in front of operate, and it reads the same.
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I have seen it, several times. The brake one can be blown off. But the engine one? I would not want to be the CA sitting across from a panel trying to explain why I violated SOP and cracked a sold section or otherwise ruined an engine. Far cheaper to relieve a pilot than to replace an engine.
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And the 2/5 minute thing is why I don’t personally put much stock in OET, unless it will be a KNOWN long time (JFK, LGA, etc.). I cannot recall a time I have ever taken off and violated the 2/5 minute warm-up time. Probably a rare occurrence.
Just like many CAs won’t reset the brakes at the gate for a few extra minutes of block time, because it is against the SOP.
I have seen it, several times. The brake one can be blown off. But the engine one? I would not want to be the CA sitting across from a panel trying to explain why I violated SOP and cracked a sold section or otherwise ruined an engine. Far cheaper to relieve a pilot than to replace an engine.
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I suggest you re-read your FCOM Vol. 1 Normal Procedures and the various caveats for engine shut down/cool down time etc.(pertaining to the Airbus). There's a reason that the NEO's 3 minute cool down time is now stressed as an absolute relative to the classic engine/IAE V2500.
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