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Old 03-04-2022, 02:40 AM
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Old 03-04-2022, 04:00 AM
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So theyve already beat the blue juice out of me. I went into this knowing that there was a delay in 190 training. I didn't expect it to basically not exist and for them to jerk you around as hard as they do. Jetblue values my ass they dont even pay lip service to it.

It started off with a two week delay which i expected, systems went okay. Then its been maybe 1 out of ten events actually happening. They will wait till 2 or 3 pm to cancel events for the next day and just roll it onto originally scheduled off days. It sucked for the first few weeks cause I had like 12 days in a row with something scheduled and stayed at the lodge not knowing when I'd get home. Eventually I saidd fk it and just flew home. All my events for the last 2 weeks have canceled. None of my events except one in the middle of march even have an instructor on the schedule so i'm already a month and a half behind my original finish date assuming that every event happens. Which it wont so I'm gonna assume probably finishing some time in may. This is killing my financially I had paid off all my debt and tried to save but take home after insurance is about 300 a week which barely covers rent much less all the other bills so I'm hemorrhaging savings. I can't go 5 months on 2k a month luckily my wife is going back to work in a few weeks so that will help.

Its been an absolute joke. My old CFI buddy interviewed at UAL about a month before I interviewed at JB and has finished training and said he should hold a line next month in SFO. Meanwhile I'm 2 or 3 months away from even seeing the actual plane and getting on normal pay.

How hard is it to do the right thing and be like after 60 days you just go on normal pay? If they are gonna treat me like **** then that attitude is gonna go right back at them. Trying to save a few bucks on paying newhires... I'll get that money back and then some 3 engine taxi push 10 early in 13 late.

TLDR If you get 190 in indoc then your fked.

I wanted this to be my last job but this is absolutely unacceptable. 3 months to even get to the sim at this rate? how the hell do you even mismanage things that bad?
Absolutely brutal.
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Old 03-04-2022, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Vailacs View Post
So theyve already beat the blue juice out of me. I went into this knowing that there was a delay in 190 training. I didn't expect it to basically not exist and for them to jerk you around as hard as they do. Jetblue values my ass they dont even pay lip service to it.

It started off with a two week delay which i expected, systems went okay. Then its been maybe 1 out of ten events actually happening. They will wait till 2 or 3 pm to cancel events for the next day and just roll it onto originally scheduled off days. It sucked for the first few weeks cause I had like 12 days in a row with something scheduled and stayed at the lodge not knowing when I'd get home. Eventually I saidd fk it and just flew home. All my events for the last 2 weeks have canceled. None of my events except one in the middle of march even have an instructor on the schedule so i'm already a month and a half behind my original finish date assuming that every event happens. Which it wont so I'm gonna assume probably finishing some time in may. This is killing my financially I had paid off all my debt and tried to save but take home after insurance is about 300 a week which barely covers rent much less all the other bills so I'm hemorrhaging savings. I can't go 5 months on 2k a month luckily my wife is going back to work in a few weeks so that will help.

Its been an absolute joke. My old CFI buddy interviewed at UAL about a month before I interviewed at JB and has finished training and said he should hold a line next month in SFO. Meanwhile I'm 2 or 3 months away from even seeing the actual plane and getting on normal pay.

How hard is it to do the right thing and be like after 60 days you just go on normal pay? If they are gonna treat me like **** then that attitude is gonna go right back at them. Trying to save a few bucks on paying newhires... I'll get that money back and then some 3 engine taxi push 10 early in 13 late.

TLDR If you get 190 in indoc then your fked.

I wanted this to be my last job but this is absolutely unacceptable. 3 months to even get to the sim at this rate? how the hell do you even mismanage things that bad?
Is there any way you can request the DFW sim from now on? Maybe explain how long you've been on hold with training? I hear they move at a steady clip over there.
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Old 03-04-2022, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by UNDGUY View Post
They don't have enough instructors. They need to make it more attractive to be an instructor. 90k salaried for the first year is ok. That will probably be the same or more than most new hires. 90k again the second year makes no sense. Instructors are line qualified pilots in addition to being instructor qualified and taking on additional duties. Why would they make less than a line pilot of similar seniority? And from what I hear the company doesn't want to pull bodies off the line to put them in the training department. So the only solution is take care of the ones who are willing to be new hire instructors. Hopefully they will soon.
No, they need to take on the instructors that are willing to do it. A number of guys, myself included, had put in to be full time at OSC. They will take us on but only as adjuncts, the adjuncts are the ones they are shipping off to the DFW 190 sim. Why the hell would I go to DFW when Iím based at home and making 110-120 hours with 1.5-to 2x pay working 10 days a month fixing CS incompetence?

They will only hire off the street into a full time OSC instructor, that way they are at the bottom pay rate for their 90hrs and can only be an FO. Basically OSC new hires are making the absolute lowest they can pay for an instructor.
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Old 03-04-2022, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by HeloBubba53 View Post
Is there any way you can request the DFW sim from now on? Maybe explain how long you've been on hold with training? I hear they move at a steady clip over there.
I donít think that would work, even if he requested it. I recently finished the 190 training in DFW. Just as an example, one day the sim was having a ton of issues, and we nearly had to reschedule - when we looked at the next available sim slot, it was nearly three weeks away because the slots are all completely utilized.
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Old 03-04-2022, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco View Post
No, they need to take on the instructors that are willing to do it. A number of guys, myself included, had put in to be full time at OSC. They will take us on but only as adjuncts, the adjuncts are the ones they are shipping off to the DFW 190 sim. Why the hell would I go to DFW when Iím based at home and making 110-120 hours with 1.5-to 2x pay working 10 days a month fixing CS incompetence?

They will only hire off the street into a full time OSC instructor, that way they are at the bottom pay rate for their 90hrs and can only be an FO. Basically OSC new hires are making the absolute lowest they can pay for an instructor.
Moving line pilots to training makes a lot more sense. They have experience with the operation, they have experience with the airplane, much shorter training period. They need to do whatever it takes to get butts in seats. Being short-staffed and cancelling/delaying flights is a heck of a lot more costly than paying a premium to instructors.
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Old 03-04-2022, 07:39 AM
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If youíre not actively trying to leave this place (even as a new hire), you better get used to it. This place likes to plan for the best and assume the best will happen. They do it with turn times, block times, staffing levels, min layovers, etc. Somehow itís a surprise every time things donít work perfectly as planned and start to snowball. It never even crosses their mind that some issue may come up.
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Old 03-04-2022, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer View Post
If youíre not actively trying to leave this place (even as a new hire), you better get used to it. This place likes to plan for the best and assume the best will happen. They do it with turn times, block times, staffing levels, min layovers, etc. Somehow itís a surprise every time things donít work perfectly as planned and start to snowball. It never even crosses their mind that some issue may come up.
Itís the employees fault duh.
If they wouldnít call there would be no wait times
If they didnít take the job we would have plenty of sim time

Our current ďmanagementĒ absolutely sucks and when it all fails and it does over and over they blame the employees.

What a mess
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Old 03-04-2022, 02:35 PM
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What a mess... What a Bingo!
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Old 03-04-2022, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco View Post
No, they need to take on the instructors that are willing to do it. A number of guys, myself included, had put in to be full time at OSC. They will take us on but only as adjuncts, the adjuncts are the ones they are shipping off to the DFW 190 sim. Why the hell would I go to DFW when Iím based at home and making 110-120 hours with 1.5-to 2x pay working 10 days a month fixing CS incompetence?

They will only hire off the street into a full time OSC instructor, that way they are at the bottom pay rate for their 90hrs and can only be an FO. Basically OSC new hires are making the absolute lowest they can pay for an instructor.
Just FYI, on the A320 there is an email out to line pilots asking for Adjunct and full time instructors. So it can happen.
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