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Old 11-03-2022, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
So let me ask you this if we were on strike (you know someone telling you what to do) would you cross that line?
This already went unanswered (kinda scary). No one should ever cross that line. Thereís a four letter word for that and it ruins your career.

But everyone knows thatÖ
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Old 11-03-2022, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
I'm aware. People like you only care about yourself and rationalizations you make to get what you want.
Couldn't be further from the truth. But you know me, so you must be right.
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Old 11-03-2022, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HanYolo View Post
This already went unanswered (kinda scary). No one should ever cross that line. Thereís a four letter word for that and it ruins your career.

But everyone knows thatÖ
Very scary that I don't read every post on here. I'll do better next time.
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Old 11-03-2022, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384 View Post
Let's not confuse picking up a 200% trip with crossing a picket line. Apple and oranges.
There are three scenarios here that I think are getting a little messed up.

Normal times - VDA to your heartís content. No one should care.

On strike - Donít do it!

Labor dispute - This is the one thatís really being talked about here and the one that gets mixed feelings. I think the short term gain of VDA (during a labor dispute) impacts the long term gain for both the individual and the pilot group. Therefore, I wouldnít do it. If you SERIOUSLY needed it for a family medical emergency or something, Iíd support it, but I donít think thatís the scenario being discussed.
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Old 11-03-2022, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384 View Post
Couldn't be further from the truth. But you know me, so you must be right.
I know what you wrote and what you said to justify it. And I find it inexcusable.
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Old 11-03-2022, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384 View Post
Let's not confuse picking up a 200% trip with crossing a picket line. Apple and oranges.

They are both fruit. However while Iím glad to hear you say that we all know the chances of a strike ever happening are slim. So itís easy to be like nope while a labor dispute is absolutely probable.

Iím not attacking anyone personally they can do as they wish, obviously the union will never tell you what to do as well. My view is do whatever you want now but when it gets to labor dispute time hopefully we all do simply what is required and no more.
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Old 11-03-2022, 04:42 PM
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As a point of reference here, when DALs pairings went into a similar toilet as ours they quickly picketed, and I believe they got some relief. We were voting to sell scope for peanuts at the same time.

DAL, the highest compensated airline pilots in the industry just voted 99% to strike. Us? We gave the company a pass on all the garbage in our contract and are most likely begging for a sub inflation pay raise - that will certainly pass.

The difference between our pilot groups comes down to unity, self worth and a spine. We lack all three.

As for picking up VDA, while true if we stopped picking up open time we would certainly see a better contact quicker, I think since this group seems to relish working for less, picking up as much premium as possible is a valid way to insulate yourself from the economic damage caused that 65% of the group.

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Old 11-03-2022, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer View Post
As a point of reference here, when DALs pairings went into a similar toilet as ours they quickly picketed, and I believe they got some relief. We were voting to sell scope for peanuts at the same time.

DAL, the highest compensated airline pilots in the industry just voted 99% to strike. Us? We gave the company a pass on all the garbage in our contract and are most likely begging for a sub inflation pay raise - that will certainly pass.

The difference between our pilot groups comes down to unity, self worth and a spine. We lack all three.
Donít forget having useful union leadership. We sorely lack that, not just at the top either. If we had that, it could fix/make up for those 3 issues.
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