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Old 04-14-2017, 12:43 PM
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Probably get better instructors. Ones that fly and ones that actually want to be there. Not just there because they can't hold MCO
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumbs882
Probably get better instructors. Ones that fly and ones that actually want to be there. Not just there because they can't hold MCO


I can't think of any who are instructors because they cannot hold MCO. It's not a consideration.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Increasing half the staff down there from 90hrs FO pay to 90hrs CA pay would bring in plenty of people who would want to do it.


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Yes. A bit absurd captains don't conduct the training. Before coming here I spent six years at FlightSafety. I wrote specialized courses like international procedures (24 hours), a check airman course (16 ground, 8 sim), the special authorization LOC/DME15 in Aspen, and others. Taught in the sim and did flying on the side. Some of us like instructing - and actually have an honors academic degree in education and/or psychology - but want to be able to fly as well. Seems the adjunct position accomplishes that. The intent is certainly not to usurp the seniority system. Nor would I be interested in RSA/VDA.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
I can't think of any who are instructors because they cannot hold MCO. It's not a consideration.
That's funny because a lot of them have said that very thing. I've also heard they didn't get hired on as pilots here so they got the instructing job
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Yes. A bit absurd captains don't conduct the training. Before coming here I spent six years at FlightSafety. I wrote specialized courses like international procedures (24 hours), a check airman course (16 ground, 8 sim), the special authorization LOC/DME15 in Aspen, and others. Taught in the sim and did flying on the side. Some of us like instructing - and actually have an honors academic degree in education and/or psychology - but want to be able to fly as well. Seems the adjunct position accomplishes that. The intent is certainly not to usurp the seniority system. Nor would I be interested in RSA/VDA.
knowing what little i know about you, I hope you pursue this!!!
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by blueballs
That's funny because a lot of them have said that very thing. I've also heard they didn't get hired on as pilots here so they got the instructing job


I know guys who have been instructors who hold the right seat in MCO, then upgrade in JFK and decide to leave JBU to make more money. I'm sure there are a couple who only want to be instructors so they can be in MCO, but generally after 2-3 years you can hold the bus right seat in MCO. Then they are able to make more money as a line pilot AND be based in MCO. Still, they choose to remain in the schoolhouse.

The advantage of the system as it is today is that the people there choose to be there because they like to instruct and are good at it. The E190 team is phenomenal. Hopefully the pay gets better in the schoolhouse with the CBA. They deserve it.

As far as the hiring part goes, that's a myth. I'm not sure why it's perpetuated. In the last off the street instructor window, those who interviewed only applied to be instructors. These days if you aren't successful as a pilot applicant, you must wait 6 months to apply to be a pilot OR instructor. (And vice versa)
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Yes. A bit absurd captains don't conduct the training. Before coming here I spent six years at FlightSafety. I wrote specialized courses like international procedures (24 hours), a check airman course (16 ground, 8 sim), the special authorization LOC/DME15 in Aspen, and others. Taught in the sim and did flying on the side. Some of us like instructing - and actually have an honors academic degree in education and/or psychology - but want to be able to fly as well. Seems the adjunct position accomplishes that. The intent is certainly not to usurp the seniority system. Nor would I be interested in RSA/VDA.


If you have training experience you should apply to be an adjunct the next time a position is open. You'll need a recommendation from someone down in the schoolhouse.
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
I can't think of any who are instructors because they cannot hold MCO. It's not a consideration.
I know 2 who did it before they could even smell MCO. So it is a consideration.
By picking up VDA/RSA, you, and the rest are delaying a much needed CBA.
Give B6 some incentive to become industry standard please.
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A couple of weeks ago I was reading my complimentary USA Today and there was front page plus several articles about how women are underpaid by 22% or some number close to that and that there was a national day to pay homage to that fact.

It I occurred to me that most ULCC and LCC A320 pilots in the US are also forced to work for even at a less than 22% discount and this should not sit well as fair to the public. Especially as many of these pilots are routinely asked to do even more with less corporate support than their legacy peers.

Maybe they need their own ribbons/day/USA today front page and series of articles to expose this inequity.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667
Somethings happening. JB is cheaping out all over the system. It's Been pretty evident for a while that they are saving cash for something.
We are buying/merging with Hawaiian. It's inevitable. The widebodies are there and if they don't workout across the pond to Europe, they can resume their current service out to Asia. Their corporate "culture" is similar to ours and as someone previously posted- a CBA. I think buying F9 is a terrible idea- completely different group over there and would deteriorate the credibility of our product. Hopefully the price tag isn't 4 Bil like Virgin. JMO
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