The AirTran Pilots' Windfall and SLI
#222
What about it don't you understand? Well, maybe mutiny was a strong word, but I would bet any captain from AAI that is junior in longevity will get a real handful from the right seat. I am not saying it's right but it's reality. Excuse me if I am a bit terse but I had a 35 year old AAI CA tell he fully expected his relative position at SWA. He would have been hired at aged 16 to hold that position at SWA the regular way. He and I are the same age and were hired at our respective companies within a year of each other. All of the sudden he is ten years senior, because he went to the other airline. What is fair about that?
If it's not obvious, he really touched a nerve.
If it's not obvious, he really touched a nerve.
Oh, and since when does age have anything to do with anything either? I will never be number 1 at DAL because there were a bunch of dudes hired before me that were a lot younger than me... big deal.
#223
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What about it don't you understand? Well, maybe mutiny was a strong word, but I would bet any captain from AAI that is junior in longevity will get a real handful from the right seat. I am not saying it's right but it's reality. Excuse me if I am a bit terse but I had a 35 year old AAI CA tell he fully expected his relative position at SWA. He would have been hired at aged 16 to hold that position at SWA the regular way. He and I are the same age and were hired at our respective companies within a year of each other. All of the sudden he is ten years senior, because he went to the other airline. What is fair about that?

You're going to have a really short career if your nerves are that sensitive. Look around (past your apparent sense of entitlement) and you might find precedence in previous mergers and the law.
But posts like yours do give me lots of hope that ATL will be a repeat of SLC.
#224
And here all these years I've heard so much about SWA culture...
You're going to have a really short career if your nerves are that sensitive. Look around (past your apparent sense of entitlement) and you might find precedence in previous mergers and the law.
But posts like yours do give me lots of hope that ATL will be a repeat of SLC.

You're going to have a really short career if your nerves are that sensitive. Look around (past your apparent sense of entitlement) and you might find precedence in previous mergers and the law.
But posts like yours do give me lots of hope that ATL will be a repeat of SLC.

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#225
Listen B----
Ive heard your AF stories. Everybody has. You may be surprised by how many of us have served
Did you miss the lecture on loyalty, discretion and trust ?
If you don't like your unions advice then you have a choice to make. If you go to FEDEX you'll find they will give you the same advice. So will SWAPA.
You're actually embarrassing yourself and the service by bringing it up in this context.
Ive heard your AF stories. Everybody has. You may be surprised by how many of us have served
Did you miss the lecture on loyalty, discretion and trust ?If you don't like your unions advice then you have a choice to make. If you go to FEDEX you'll find they will give you the same advice. So will SWAPA.
You're actually embarrassing yourself and the service by bringing it up in this context.
I believe you have every right to do so but please don't jump me for asking a couple of questions.
#226
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From: SWA CA
All I am asking is for you to put yourself in my shoes. It would suck to have someone who hasn't put in the same amount of time be put senior to me as many of the AAI folks deem fair. I didn't say I was going to be a handful but I guarantee there will be some who are if this happens. I didn't say I agree with it either. It's the nature of the beast, ask the former NWA guys how the Republic thing worked out.
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
#227
All I am asking is for you to put yourself in my shoes. It would suck to have someone who hasn't put in the same amount of time be put senior to me as many of the AAI folks deem fair. I didn't say I was going to be a handful but I guarantee there will be some who are if this happens. I didn't say I agree with it either. It's the nature of the beast, ask the former NWA guys how the Republic thing worked out.
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
DOH between to companies is irrelevant. Get over your bad self. Junior guys in any merger take it in the shorts, SLI wise. But you will be a better stronger company because of it and that will benefit you.
#228
All I am asking is for you to put yourself in my shoes. It would suck to have someone who hasn't put in the same amount of time be put senior to me as many of the AAI folks deem fair. I didn't say I was going to be a handful but I guarantee there will be some who are if this happens. I didn't say I agree with it either. It's the nature of the beast, ask the former NWA guys how the Republic thing worked out.
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
I am sick of how some of the AAI guys are allowed to preach what they think is fair but a SWA guys says that ain't fair and all of the sudden we are the evil ones. We have a great culture now, but this thing goes bad and it becomes another job.
Tsquare, you don't even have a dog in this fight. You seem to be spooled up about my post though. The age reference was just there to illustrate that two guys the same age hired at roughly the same time end up with ten years between them and the original SWA guy loses out. This ain't DAL and NWA. The disparity is much greater. You are right, I have no control over it. I do have an opinion just as you have yours.
It is sincerely my hope that we can find a middle ground and this potential mess will be avoided. I have tons of friends at AAI and I look forward to working with them but I think they should put in their time just like I and my fellow SWA pilots have. I know my opinion and and $2.25 will get a Starbucks. I just don't like having someone who got in line after me to get their coffee first.
Back to the coffee line!
I knew this would be an entertaining thread.. and you have ensured that.
Have a wonderful day.. but please... try decaf.
#229
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Exactly, tsquare. Let's all remember one glaring fact:
SWA career expectation: 737 CA
AAI career expectation: 737 CA
And, LUVGup....
Don't worry, relative postion won't happen...that would be a clear windfall seniority gain just as a staple would be a windfall seniority gain for you.
SWA career expectation: 737 CA
AAI career expectation: 737 CA
And, LUVGup....
Don't worry, relative postion won't happen...that would be a clear windfall seniority gain just as a staple would be a windfall seniority gain for you.
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