Originally Posted by Judge Smails

Dude, you work for friggin Allegiant. How would you have any clue what it's like over here right now? If your 'friends' here are happy with the state of this place, then they are part of the problem.

Originally Posted by iFlyHi

I've had Delta, United, American, UPS, and Southwest pilots all tell me "I wouldn't recommend ANYONE come here" at one point in my career. There's ALWAYS someone who talks about how bad things are and how there's no reason to work where they are. Unfortunately a large number of these folks like to hang out on APC.

For the record I'm currently at Spirit.

Originally Posted by Gunga Din

Unless you're at one of the real sh!tbag regionals NK is not necessarily better. I came from one of the "good" ones and I can tell you there are only 2 reasons to come here. 1) you're a new Fo at a regional and 2) you commute and NK has a base where you live. Even the second one is questionable.
People here really love their work rules but I think it's because most of them are freight retreads or corporate guy and don't know what's really out there. My regional had some better, some worse rules. But it's not amazing here. Anyone who says differently is clueless. If you're a regional captain, under 40 and have all the basic boxes checked I'd sit tight just my opinion.
This place is turning into a bunch of rats fleeing a sinking ship. While NK may not actually sink it's more obvious every day to everyone that it's time to go.

Originally Posted by Rainbows

Every airline sucks, why anyone would want to get into this business is beyond me.

Originally Posted by RalphWiggum

-We are anywhere from 30-50% underpaid in hour rates to our peers.
-After 11 months amendable we have more sections open than closed
-Many proposals have been worse than what we currently have
-Grievance committee admits in emails they are swamped with record level of NCCs because of the companies noncompliance with the contract
-you're flying around new 320s with more seats than is contractually protected in our contract
-get hired now and without a change in orders or spike in senior attrition you won't upgrade
-you won't travel anywhere in training. They took that away too. Nor will you get paid more than $1750 a month until you complete IOE.
-every month there's a chance you won't be paid correctly (hint it's never in your favor)
-we have a VP of flight ops telling people if they want to be compensated well to go work at another airline.
- 2, 3 and 4 days trips credit 9, 13:30 and 18 hours respectively.
- trip averaging is awful
- brutal low paying 4 day trips with flip flopping redeyes and early show times.
- international pay is not for all international flights, only destinations further south than 15 degrees (iirc). ***!?!
- no red eye over ride
- no international layovers except Lima, Cabo and Laguardia.
- your Out time doesn't start until wheels roll; I.e you spend a lot of time not getting paid.
- and to reiterate the above point, pay check is often wrong! I've caught them numerous times and it was never in my favor lol
- travel benefits suck. No agreements with any majors.

Originally Posted by sgt98c

Lol. I have been at Spirit for a couple of years now after many years at 2 regionals. Everything word you said is true.
You didn't answer my questions. I'm trying to determine if you are speaking from experience or simply jumping on the band wagon.
Simply put, EVERY airline has problems that are considered horrible by the line pilots. Do you really think that we are uniquely bad? Don't get me wrong, we do have problems. I'm not saying that it's rainbows and unicorns, but no worse than any where else during section 6. Again, not flame baiting; but what is your reference? Please don't say that Delta, United etc don't experience what we do. They just have a different set of bs.
Finally, no I'm not mgmt, or an opentime wh@re, or whatever other name calling someone will come up with.

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

The difference is at least they're getting paid decently to deal with said BS.

Originally Posted by vpnksops

It's better than my regional. I'm better off being stuck here than at a regional.

Originally Posted by Chimpy

Actually, that's not the case for most people. Hell, if I would have Stayed at XJT I would have eventually got an opportunity to interview at Yaaaaaaaanited

Would of had my own Sub forum!


And a decent payrate, and retirment!!!!!!!! Buuuuutttttt no Free High Fives!