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Old 08-04-2022 | 07:17 AM
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So how many more months until they no longer have pilots?
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Old 08-04-2022 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJchauffeur
So how many more months until they no longer have pilots?
Critical Mass will depend on the partners willingness to accept Mesa requests for flying reductions. Eventually it’ll be unsustainable. However the attrition spike was still in March. Nothing has exceeded that month as of yet. Sr guys were not leaving. With the defeat of the TA and lack of meaningful response by the company - they now are leaving. Resignations have not been tendered but they are coming. The only reason they haven’t yet is that those hiring are back logged and so the start dates are a ways out.
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Old 08-04-2022 | 09:24 AM
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Critical Mass will depend on the partners willingness to accept Mesa requests for flying reductions. Eventually it’ll be unsustainable. However the attrition spike was still in March. Nothing has exceeded that month as of yet. Sr guys were not leaving. With the defeat of the TA and lack of meaningful response by the company - they now are leaving. Resignations have not been tendered but they are coming. The only reason they haven’t yet is that those hiring are back logged and so the start dates are a ways out.

No new TA agreement anytime soon
MEC kicking back and taking their sweet sweet time on "polling" the pilots for new TA vote
No more AQP recurrent-- I cant think of a single sub 1k FO staying for upgrade here due to this (among many other reasons)
Alot of long time mesa CA's ive recently flown with are out the door in the coming months due to the above


Absolutely zero reason any new hire should come here. Even goJet for commute air would be a step up and that is saying alot
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Old 08-04-2022 | 10:09 AM
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Why is non AQP recurrent bad? How is it any worse than initial being non-AQP (since it's always been like that for initial)

In the end, you still have to do the same things, and the examiner won't fail you for the first wrong thing (as long as you correct it)
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Old 08-04-2022 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Why is non AQP recurrent bad? How is it any worse than initial being non-AQP (since it's always been like that for initial)

In the end, you still have to do the same things, and the examiner won't fail you for the first wrong thing (as long as you correct it)

AQP has always been seen as beneficial. Only at Mesa do we hear of excuses of why it’s not a good thing. At the end of the day it’s not good for the company and the company is just tossing yet another problem onto the backs of the pilots. Literally every single person I’ve flown with is on the way out. All of them. This place will not be in business long enough for someone starting EJET training today to ever fly the plane. I’d put $1000 on it.
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Old 08-04-2022 | 11:26 AM
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Stock is up 17% in the last week something is up
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Old 08-04-2022 | 11:32 AM
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Stock is up 17% in the last week something is up
It’s basically a penny stock. Boomer investors listening to Jim Cramer on CNBC is my guess
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Old 08-04-2022 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by golfandflows
No new TA agreement anytime soon
MEC kicking back and taking their sweet sweet time on "polling" the pilots for new TA vote
No more AQP recurrent-- I cant think of a single sub 1k FO staying for upgrade here due to this (among many other reasons)
Alot of long time mesa CA's ive recently flown with are out the door in the coming months due to the above


Absolutely zero reason any new hire should come here. Even goJet for commute air would be a step up and that is saying alot
The AQP thing isn’t that big of a deal. Upgrade was NEVER AQP here. So the loss of AQP has no impact on upgrade training. There’s no dragging of feet on the survey. It’s coming. It takes time, effort and money to do the survey. It’s being carefully considered and not just rushed as a formality. The association is not slow rolling the process.
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Old 08-04-2022 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
AQP has always been seen as beneficial. Only at Mesa do we hear of excuses of why it’s not a good thing. At the end of the day it’s not good for the company and the company is just tossing yet another problem onto the backs of the pilots. Literally every single person I’ve flown with is on the way out. All of them. This place will not be in business long enough for someone starting EJET training today to ever fly the plane. I’d put $1000 on it.
That’s a little extreme. But only a little.
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Old 08-04-2022 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
AQP has always been seen as beneficial. Only at Mesa do we hear of excuses of why it’s not a good thing. At the end of the day it’s not good for the company and the company is just tossing yet another problem onto the backs of the pilots. Literally every single person I’ve flown with is on the way out. All of them. This place will not be in business long enough for someone starting EJET training today to ever fly the plane. I’d put $1000 on it.
A proper data driven AQP program for initial and every after is beneficial. Mesa’s was only for recurrent and not data driven. I feared the LOE more than the MV. LOE was loaded with things conspired to trip you up and not based in reality.
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