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03-05-2023 | 02:41 PM
#31
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I believe gojet just announced today a $135k DEC bonus. Why stay at Mesa for a lousy 10k upgrade, when you can go to Gojet, get 135k, and still be in the aviate program?
Or go to Frontier, get a $50k bonus, and get seniority at a more stable airline?
Or go to endeavor and get a $150k bonus and a better-than-aviate guaranteed flow to Delta?
Or go to an Acmi - ABX, western global, Omni air international?
Dosnt make sense for force. People will leave in droves. Everyone is desperate for 1k hour pilots now.
03-05-2023 | 03:10 PM
#32
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Not a good idea to force upgrades at all.
I believe gojet just announced today a $135k DEC bonus. Why stay at Mesa for a lousy 10k upgrade, when you can go to Gojet, get 135k, and still be in the aviate program?
Or go to Frontier, get a $50k bonus, and get seniority at a more stable airline?
Or go to endeavor and get a $150k bonus and a better-than-aviate guaranteed flow to Delta?
Or go to an Acmi - ABX, western global, Omni air international?
Dosnt make sense for force. People will leave in droves. Everyone is desperate for 1k hour pilots now.
I believe gojet just announced today a $135k DEC bonus. Why stay at Mesa for a lousy 10k upgrade, when you can go to Gojet, get 135k, and still be in the aviate program?
Or go to Frontier, get a $50k bonus, and get seniority at a more stable airline?
Or go to endeavor and get a $150k bonus and a better-than-aviate guaranteed flow to Delta?
Or go to an Acmi - ABX, western global, Omni air international?
Dosnt make sense for force. People will leave in droves. Everyone is desperate for 1k hour pilots now.
03-07-2023 | 06:53 AM
#33
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Not a good idea to force upgrades at all.
I believe gojet just announced today a $135k DEC bonus. Why stay at Mesa for a lousy 10k upgrade, when you can go to Gojet, get 135k, and still be in the aviate program?
Or go to Frontier, get a $50k bonus, and get seniority at a more stable airline?
Or go to endeavor and get a $150k bonus and a better-than-aviate guaranteed flow to Delta?
Or go to an Acmi - ABX, western global, Omni air international?
Dosnt make sense for force. People will leave in droves. Everyone is desperate for 1k hour pilots now.
I believe gojet just announced today a $135k DEC bonus. Why stay at Mesa for a lousy 10k upgrade, when you can go to Gojet, get 135k, and still be in the aviate program?
Or go to Frontier, get a $50k bonus, and get seniority at a more stable airline?
Or go to endeavor and get a $150k bonus and a better-than-aviate guaranteed flow to Delta?
Or go to an Acmi - ABX, western global, Omni air international?
Dosnt make sense for force. People will leave in droves. Everyone is desperate for 1k hour pilots now.
03-07-2023 | 07:10 AM
#34
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"UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED HEREIN, ANY PRIVILEGES CONFERRED UPON A PARTICIPANT BY UNITED IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH PARTICIPANT’S STATUS WITHIN AVIATE SHALL BE ENTIRELY AT UNITED’S DISCRETION, AND MAY BE WITHDRAWN AT ANY TIME."
"UNITED, IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION, RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MODIFY, SUSPEND OR TERMINATE THIS PROGRAM GUIDE AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT NOTICE TO OR CONSENT OF, ANY CANDIDATE, PARTICIPANT, OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL. FURTHER, UNITED RESERVES THE RIGHT TO WAIVE OR SUSPEND ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THIS PROGRAM GUIDE FOR ONE OR MORE PARTICIPANTS, AT ANY TIME AND IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION."
The Endeavor flow is in the Endeavor JCBA. The only way that Delta can stop the Endeavor flow is to stop hiring altogether.
03-07-2023 | 08:38 AM
#35
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For starters, Aviate isn't contractual. The terms can change for better or worse anytime, and the program can go away anytime.
"UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED HEREIN, ANY PRIVILEGES CONFERRED UPON A PARTICIPANT BY UNITED IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH PARTICIPANT’S STATUS WITHIN AVIATE SHALL BE ENTIRELY AT UNITED’S DISCRETION, AND MAY BE WITHDRAWN AT ANY TIME."
"UNITED, IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION, RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MODIFY, SUSPEND OR TERMINATE THIS PROGRAM GUIDE AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT NOTICE TO OR CONSENT OF, ANY CANDIDATE, PARTICIPANT, OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL. FURTHER, UNITED RESERVES THE RIGHT TO WAIVE OR SUSPEND ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THIS PROGRAM GUIDE FOR ONE OR MORE PARTICIPANTS, AT ANY TIME AND IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION."
The Endeavor flow is in the Endeavor JCBA. The only way that Delta can stop the Endeavor flow is to stop hiring altogether.
"UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED HEREIN, ANY PRIVILEGES CONFERRED UPON A PARTICIPANT BY UNITED IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH PARTICIPANT’S STATUS WITHIN AVIATE SHALL BE ENTIRELY AT UNITED’S DISCRETION, AND MAY BE WITHDRAWN AT ANY TIME."
"UNITED, IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION, RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MODIFY, SUSPEND OR TERMINATE THIS PROGRAM GUIDE AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT NOTICE TO OR CONSENT OF, ANY CANDIDATE, PARTICIPANT, OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL. FURTHER, UNITED RESERVES THE RIGHT TO WAIVE OR SUSPEND ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THIS PROGRAM GUIDE FOR ONE OR MORE PARTICIPANTS, AT ANY TIME AND IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION."
The Endeavor flow is in the Endeavor JCBA. The only way that Delta can stop the Endeavor flow is to stop hiring altogether.
03-07-2023 | 01:49 PM
#36
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Nothing is a guarantee you will ever get hired at United off the street.
Aviate was meant to give everyone an equal chance into going into United. Not just those with a super stellar background. It gives those who had checkride fails at thier initial airline or whatever a chance. Much how like Mesa gives everyone a second chance at a career.
If you are a line check airman, training department experience, never failed a checkride, have multiple jet type ratings, then yeah. Maybe aviate isn't for you, and you should apply off the street.
Aviate suits some, but not all. If you think you can get into United with a stellar background, drop aviate and apply OTS.
If you had a bad start at your 121 career, such as washing out of an airline before Mesa, and you never failed anything since then, and had a clean 4-5 year background, aviate is for you.
Aviate was meant to give everyone an equal chance into going into United. Not just those with a super stellar background. It gives those who had checkride fails at thier initial airline or whatever a chance. Much how like Mesa gives everyone a second chance at a career.
If you are a line check airman, training department experience, never failed a checkride, have multiple jet type ratings, then yeah. Maybe aviate isn't for you, and you should apply off the street.
Aviate suits some, but not all. If you think you can get into United with a stellar background, drop aviate and apply OTS.
If you had a bad start at your 121 career, such as washing out of an airline before Mesa, and you never failed anything since then, and had a clean 4-5 year background, aviate is for you.
03-08-2023 | 05:01 PM
#37
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From: CRJ9 CA
Did the Aviate program change recently? Looks like 1600 PIC/Captain hours now for the transition.
I never read the previous language, but doesn't the statements below from the Aviate Program Guide (https://unitedaviate.com/documents/A...gram-Guide.pdf) mean it's more of a straightforward transition?
From the Aviate Program Guide, "Once all transition criteria have been verified, a summary of the Participant’s flight hours and all
Records Submission Sheets (“RSS”)
received while in Aviate will be reviewed by United’s
Transition Board of Review. If United’s Transition Board of Review determines the Participant
has completed all transition criteria, has maintained the standards as set forth in Chapter 4, and
meets all other requirements and standards set forth in this Chapter 5, as determined by the
Transition Board of Review in their sole discretion, then the Participant will be approved for
transition to United as a First Officer. United’s Aviate administrator will then coordinate with the
Participant for placement in a United First Officer training course."
Finally, some confusing/contradicting language from the program guide about applying through traditional channels when already in Aviate. Again, not sure if it was like this before...The first part says you can apply to United through traditional pilot hiring/off the street, as long as you leave Aviate if you get an interview.
Chapter 3: H. Applying Through the United Traditional Pilot Hiring Process as an Aviate Participant
Participants in Aviate are allowed to apply to United through the traditional pilot hiring process,
provided that such Participants will be required to withdraw from Aviate in the event they are
selected for and schedule a traditional interview with United. See Chapter 5 for additional
information.
However, later in the language below, it talks about leaving the program and waiting 12 months, EXCEPT if applying under Section H of Chapter 3 (language above). Why would they even leave this Chapter 5, section I language in there?
Chapter 5: I. Applying to United via the traditional path if a Participant withdraws from Aviate.
Except for Participants who withdraw from Aviate after scheduling an interview through United’s
traditional pilot hiring process in accordance with Section H of Chapter 3, Participants who have
withdrawn from Aviate may apply via the traditional hiring path after a 12-month wait.
Can anyone clarify the program rules - especially if it changed recently?
Thanks
I never read the previous language, but doesn't the statements below from the Aviate Program Guide (https://unitedaviate.com/documents/A...gram-Guide.pdf) mean it's more of a straightforward transition?
From the Aviate Program Guide, "Once all transition criteria have been verified, a summary of the Participant’s flight hours and all
Records Submission Sheets (“RSS”)
received while in Aviate will be reviewed by United’s
Transition Board of Review. If United’s Transition Board of Review determines the Participant
has completed all transition criteria, has maintained the standards as set forth in Chapter 4, and
meets all other requirements and standards set forth in this Chapter 5, as determined by the
Transition Board of Review in their sole discretion, then the Participant will be approved for
transition to United as a First Officer. United’s Aviate administrator will then coordinate with the
Participant for placement in a United First Officer training course."
Finally, some confusing/contradicting language from the program guide about applying through traditional channels when already in Aviate. Again, not sure if it was like this before...The first part says you can apply to United through traditional pilot hiring/off the street, as long as you leave Aviate if you get an interview.
Chapter 3: H. Applying Through the United Traditional Pilot Hiring Process as an Aviate Participant
Participants in Aviate are allowed to apply to United through the traditional pilot hiring process,
provided that such Participants will be required to withdraw from Aviate in the event they are
selected for and schedule a traditional interview with United. See Chapter 5 for additional
information.
However, later in the language below, it talks about leaving the program and waiting 12 months, EXCEPT if applying under Section H of Chapter 3 (language above). Why would they even leave this Chapter 5, section I language in there?
Chapter 5: I. Applying to United via the traditional path if a Participant withdraws from Aviate.
Except for Participants who withdraw from Aviate after scheduling an interview through United’s
traditional pilot hiring process in accordance with Section H of Chapter 3, Participants who have
withdrawn from Aviate may apply via the traditional hiring path after a 12-month wait.
Can anyone clarify the program rules - especially if it changed recently?
Thanks
03-09-2023 | 03:44 AM
#38
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What’s the situation with being un-vaccinated and aviate? I’ve read enough on the United forums to know that being un-vaccinated is a no-go, plus a friend just interviewed at UA, OTS, non-aviate and they told him straight out he had no chance of getting a class date without it.
03-09-2023 | 11:40 AM
#39
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What’s the situation with being un-vaccinated and aviate? I’ve read enough on the United forums to know that being un-vaccinated is a no-go, plus a friend just interviewed at UA, OTS, non-aviate and they told him straight out he had no chance of getting a class date without it.
"but I don't know how I'd react"
"it's a government tracking tool"
"we still don't know the long term effects of it"
"people still get covid after the vaccine"
"it causes autism"
No. Stop. Just get it.
03-09-2023 | 04:44 PM
#40
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What’s the situation with being un-vaccinated and aviate? I’ve read enough on the United forums to know that being un-vaccinated is a no-go, plus a friend just interviewed at UA, OTS, non-aviate and they told him straight out he had no chance of getting a class date without it.
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