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01-31-2015 | 08:15 PM
#5971
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Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centerline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally, make a gut call to either fix it or go around, and avoid ending up in a ditch on the evening news--all in a matter of a few seconds (or less).
You're not at that level with only 500-1,000 hours of 121 SIC at Mesa. You probably are if you have previous 121, military, or 135 time--but if you just have 1,500 hours flight instructing in light GA planes--in easy weather--and 1,000 hours sitting shotgun on a 700/900--you have NO business in the left seat at all--you're a liability to me and my job (and yourself) and I don't want you there.
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01-31-2015 | 08:19 PM
#5972
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^^^Exactly.
I thought I was ready to upgrade when I had about 3-6 months on the line as an FO on my first jet. Then, after a 4AM showtime in Helena, I was shooting an ILS to mins in a 25 knot crosswind in blowing snow, broke out, kicked the crab out a bit too early--and right as the winds were gusting up to 35/40 kts, we floated upwards 10-20 feet and started moving laterally to the side of the runway.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centereline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally and fix it before you end up in a ditch on the evening news (and/or explain your way out of it w/o getting violated if you do).
I thought I was ready to upgrade when I had about 3-6 months on the line as an FO on my first jet. Then, after a 4AM showtime in Helena, I was shooting an ILS to mins in a 25 knot crosswind in blowing snow, broke out, kicked the crab out a bit too early--and right as the winds were gusting up to 35/40 kts, we floated upwards 10-20 feet and started moving laterally to the side of the runway.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centereline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally and fix it before you end up in a ditch on the evening news (and/or explain your way out of it w/o getting violated if you do).
01-31-2015 | 08:21 PM
#5973
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You all do realize that many South American, and even European airlines put 250 hour wonders in the right seat of 737's and A320's right?
I've taught over 100 of them, some are flying 777's right now with far fewer hours than I have.
To be honest, this 1500 hour rule is absolutely stupid. I'd rather have a kid fresh out of ATP with 250 hours with a brain like a sponge. I can show him one time how to do something, he'll get it down perfectly. They are much better to have in the cockpit than a 40+ year old person who has never flown a jet, but accumulated his 1500 hours over 20 years flying out of uncontrolled airports in his C152.
The only supposedly good thing about this 1500 hour rule is the affect that it will "eventually" have on our paychecks... Geez, we screwed over the new guys for a supposed bigger paycheck! Talk about hypocritical!!
I've taught over 100 of them, some are flying 777's right now with far fewer hours than I have.
To be honest, this 1500 hour rule is absolutely stupid. I'd rather have a kid fresh out of ATP with 250 hours with a brain like a sponge. I can show him one time how to do something, he'll get it down perfectly. They are much better to have in the cockpit than a 40+ year old person who has never flown a jet, but accumulated his 1500 hours over 20 years flying out of uncontrolled airports in his C152.
The only supposedly good thing about this 1500 hour rule is the affect that it will "eventually" have on our paychecks... Geez, we screwed over the new guys for a supposed bigger paycheck! Talk about hypocritical!!
01-31-2015 | 08:32 PM
#5974
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I thought I was ready to upgrade when I had about 3-6 months on the line as an FO on my first jet like all these zero-to-hero folks on this thread. Then, after a 4AM showtime, I was shooting an ILS to mins in a -200, in a 27 knot crosswind in blowing snow, broke out, and kicked the crab out too early, right as we got hit with a decent gust/gain of airspeed. We floated upwards 10-20 feet and started moving laterally ever closer to the side of the runway. I made a "uhhhhhh" noise.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centerline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally, make a gut call to either fix it or go around, and avoid ending up in a ditch on the evening news--all in a matter of a few seconds (or less).
You're not at that level with only 500-1,000 hours of 121 SIC at Mesa. You probably are if you have previous 121, military, or 135 time--but if you just have 1,500 hours flight instructing in light GA planes--in easy weather--and 1,000 hours sitting shotgun on a 700/900--you have NO business in the left seat at all--you're a liability to me and my job (and yourself) and I don't want you there.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centerline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally, make a gut call to either fix it or go around, and avoid ending up in a ditch on the evening news--all in a matter of a few seconds (or less).
You're not at that level with only 500-1,000 hours of 121 SIC at Mesa. You probably are if you have previous 121, military, or 135 time--but if you just have 1,500 hours flight instructing in light GA planes--in easy weather--and 1,000 hours sitting shotgun on a 700/900--you have NO business in the left seat at all--you're a liability to me and my job (and yourself) and I don't want you there.
*brofist*
01-31-2015 | 08:40 PM
#5975
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Actually, that's exactly what we have on all of our airplanes. We have a de-ice checklist that we follow along with a cold weather ops card that has all the info one needs. I've been on the 777 for over 2 years now and I've never been de-iced in the thing.
Cold weather ops is not like flying a shuttle mission or something. Coordinate with ops, taxi to the pad, follow the checklist to configure, write down the pertinants when given, finish the de-ice checklist, taxi out, check holdover time, and launch if you haven't exceeded or do a pre-takeoff contamination check if permitted.
Cold weather ops is not like flying a shuttle mission or something. Coordinate with ops, taxi to the pad, follow the checklist to configure, write down the pertinants when given, finish the de-ice checklist, taxi out, check holdover time, and launch if you haven't exceeded or do a pre-takeoff contamination check if permitted.
I'm very, very sure you weren't ready to take command of that 777 with 1,500 hours in a Cessna and 12 months as a Mesa FO who doesn't even know what a "real" PC is like (b/c we've had AQP and that's all they've ever known).
01-31-2015 | 08:42 PM
#5976
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Is everyone on the EJet (or upgrading onto it) ready to lose AA/Airways pass travel?
It's coming--I just got word--use up those Airways buddy passes while ya can!!!
It's coming--I just got word--use up those Airways buddy passes while ya can!!!
01-31-2015 | 08:44 PM
#5977
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I think it's fairly obvious 24/48 is skewed because his wife works at Mesa, so I'm pretty much justifying his off the mark comments on this.
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02-01-2015 | 06:52 AM
#5979
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Mesa got out bid for those Jets. Now they are trying to find some elsewhere. Obviously I'm not sure if those are the same ones.
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