Originally Posted by Bucketofpropwas

This is an open question about new hire training. Is indoc training in PHX , the MCO, then back to PHX, then sims in STL, does that sound What's the contract say on new hire training like max hours a day, max days before days off, min days off per month in training ? Are there limits to times of day for events, no training from 2-4 AM? Is travel to from training positive space from home or base if you go home on days off? Does the contract require min of 2 day breaks?
How about you events per day or limit on sims or CPT in same? I'm thinking of how much time is there each night to study, or are you in lecture 10 hours a day?
Is there food available in the training center, or do most bring a lunch each day? Yes I'm trying to save money and get through training successfully, any suggestions? I just want to look at the contract to learn this stuff.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Mesa or a regional in general?

Originally Posted by Skyler02

Well many regionals now have an effective first year salary of $40k+ when new pay rates, retention bonuses, and sign-on bonuses are taken into account. Some provide hotels for commuters and most have a 2 hour reserve call out which gives crews more housing options. And some of the bases may be more affordable.

So, again, do your own research and maybe there is a regional that will work for you. Every person's situation and circumstance is different. If the other regional options still won't work for you, there are pilot positions opening up everywhere. Good luck to all in finding your best fit.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver

Indoc is in PHX for both aircraft. MCO is for door pulls on the EJET. For EJET: STL is starting back up for sim, so you might go there, but the other options are DFW or YYZ, in that order. CRJ has PHX, MSP, YYZ and CPH (don't think they do new hire training in CPH though) for sim. Pretty sure door pulls are done in PHX.

As for contract questions: Max of 6 days in a row for training. Max of 6 hours in the sim a day (but they only ever schedule 4). No more than 2 hours in the sim without a break. Max of 10 hours of ground school (includes FPT) a day. No min days off during training required by the contract.

The only positive space travel you will get during training is from one training location to another. Any other travel is on you.

In PHX there are vending machines in the break room and the burrito truck comes by at lunch time. In both STL and DFW the hotel van can take you to Walmart if eating out is eating into your budget.

Originally Posted by Bucketofpropwas

Thanks, so while in new hire training they could have you working 6 on one off 6 on one off the entire time in training, in theory only 4 days off the month. The minimum days off per month does not apply to training? Ok just so I plan not to have a few extra days to decompress until after the type ride. Is this the same for upgrade training or just new hire?
Thanks I'll plan for this.

Originally Posted by word302

Does it not bother you that guys are leaving Mesa to go to other regionals? Does it not make you question your life choices?

Originally Posted by Bucketofpropwas

This is an open question about new hire training directed to a fellow new hire. . Is indoc training in PHX , then MCO, back to PHX, sims in STL, does that sound right? This says the oral is before CPTs, I would think that's when the systems start to make sense. What's the contract say on new hire training like max hours a day, max days before days off, min days off per month in training ? Are there limits to times of day for events, no training from 2-4 AM? Is travel to from training positive space from home or base if you go home on days off? Does the contract require min of 2 day breaks?
How about max number of events per day or limit on sims or CPT in same? I'm thinking of how much time is there each night to study, or are you in lecture 10 hours a day?
Is there food available in the training center, or do most bring a lunch each day? Yes I'm trying to save money and get through training successfully, any suggestions? I just want to look at the contract to learn this stuff. Been at a really bad place that abused new hires.

Originally Posted by Skyler02

I believe we are in complete agreement here.

"Don't come here and expect to rent an apartment first year."
Right. You will not be able to afford even the smallest efficiency apartment within the 90 minute call out of IAD.

"Get a room with roommates on Craigslist or find another Mesa pilot to live with."
Right. This will be your only option. You will need more than one roommate, though, so find a couple or more pilots to live with.

"Even on first year pay, you can afford $400 rent."
Correct. That is about how much you will have provided you don't have students loans or any other monthly payments.

"Live in base."
Right. That's the point. Trying to. That's why a Crashpad with a 10 night per month limit won't work.

"You're right, knowingly putting yourself on welfare is sh*tty, so don't do it. Nobody is making you. My first year W2: $22,800."
Correct. And the $22,800 is below the required minimum income to qualify for "welfare" housing so isn't an option anyway.

"Also, if you're the sole breadwinner supporting a family or in massive debt and choose to come to a regional, ****** you. There are tons of better paying non-121 flying jobs out there."

Couldn't agree with you more. Which takes us back to my original purpose of posting this information for others. As prospective employees make their choice of which regional to join or which flying job to go to, they need this information so they can make an informed decision and choose the job that works for them. It does Mesa no good, to hire and train pilots only to have them leave because they can't make it work.

So we are in agreement. Unless you are:
-Debt-free
-Single
-Child or dependent-free
And
-In a position that allows you to move to base and live with multiple people

Then maybe Mesa isn't your best option.