All three of these are not true.
Envoy's reserve is worse

Our QOL is way better than almost any other regional/ partially true I guess our work rules suck.

Our Management is excellent with our pilot group. Have you worked anywhere else, how many times have you been called by a chief for being late? How many times for a RTG? How many times for foqua?
At RAH FOs get badgered by Foqua for not calling a go around on CAs, or "letting him taxi to fast". Do you want to get a phone call every fing time?

At 9e you get a phone call for EVERY RTG and most delays. Also GFY if you try to refuse a DCI 200 if the cabin temp is less than 35C.

You obviously have little or 0 experance outside PSA.

 

I had to read this 3 times to tell if this is a troll attempt or nah....

Envoys reserve rules worse? You mean the 3 months of positive space tickets and hotels they provide for their new FO's and CA's on reserve in LGA? You talking about the reserve rules Envoy has where reserve in ORD and DFW go senior? Yeah ok real bad I'm sure

Relationship with management excellent? my lord. So our relationship is good because they don't call us for FOQA violations? wut?
You do realize that if you fill out a delay report there is no need for the chiefs to call right?

My outside experience is almost a decade of work outside of aviation since you ask. I didn't realize that being at more than one regional airline is something to be proud of.

 

Dont forget that Envoy has actual transparency in their reserve where crew can see what place they are in line and estimate if they are going to get called in. Makes for a much better QoL when at home with the family. It is absolutely true that senior guys bid reserve last out to have more family time. The transparency here is a joke. I'd say PSA has a worse reserve system as a whole.

Now let's get serious for a moment here. We are in the best position in decades to push for considerable increases to QoL and I feel that accepting the status quo right now is a slap in the face not only to folks that have lived through the economic turn but more importantly to the people who are just getting started. We all need to be pulling in the same direction and pushing for changes to reserve/work rules, pay, etc. Get as much as we can now before we lose leverage. I've worked at better places and I've worked at worse. It's not about PSA being the worst, its about how we can make it so much better. The time is now yet the union is silent and dragging feet imo. We're force upgrading/displacing people out of base. That's a big hit to QoL for some people. If corporate sincerely wants to be the most respected regional airline they would respect the pilot (as well as FA) group and be eager to lead the industry. Happy employees = happy passengers, just ask SWA.

I dont care if you worked construction, shovled sh!t, or landscaping, we all worked hard to get here and should demand to be compensated appropriately.

Sometimes I wonder who's team some of you are really on.

 

If their rsv bids go senior it's because their lines suck that bad not because rsv is that good. You have that backwards.
I never feel out a delay report and have never been contacted. They absolutely are nice cheifs and accommodate in the realm of their authority, just because your a whinny pilot and the grass is greener somewhere else doesn't mean you have any real perspective.
Have you ever any flying job anywhere else? The go/no-go pressure is dialed way up.
The chiefs here don't crawl up your *** with a flashlight and leave the captain with much more autonomy with when to board or deplane or RTG, no one micromanages you.
So your basically saying since where not the highest compensated then we have defacto toxic mgmt relationships. Despite the fact that we're not in contact negotiations and OUR union gives them whatever they want anyway because their flow has prisoned their options.
LGA is only 1 base in there system and that's a new policy.

I want to get paid more and think it's time to rock the boat. We have no quid pro quo standard to uphold since we're not in negations.
A judge can't issue a TRO if your in a contract and flying the contract. In section 6 the company can claim quid pro quo since the contract expired and hardship is proven.
Since we're in a contract, the company's hardship is just a miscalculation of the cost of signing the contract and only fully realized it's cost 5 years in.

Some union boy will pipe up and call BS because he doesn't what to rock the boat and wants to flow yesterday.

 

Happyflyer, you can't see the forest for the trees.

If you come on these forums and tell potential new hires how great it is here they will keep coming and the classes will stay filled. You are doing the company a favor and you don't even realize it. Full classes = little to no leverage for the pilot group. How do you not see this?

 

Classes are also staying full thanks to the RTP program. They get their fixed wings ratings and any additional time paid by the company. I don’t have any ill feelings towards the guys themselves, just frustrating.

 

While you may not necessarily be wrong....let’s break it down

1. Even if Endeavor has some 20 hour trips paying 19 hours I will gladly give up an hour here and there if it means I’m going to credit 20 hours more at the end of the month. Reference my post about us getting 18 days off and only crediting 65 hours while Endeavor and Republic gets 18 days off and credits 85. If that’s what taking an hour away from a trip looks like well, I don’t understand the math at the end of the month, but I’ll take it!!

2. Besides reserve, I guess it’s still possible to only credit 75 hours with 11 days off with PBS. Although, after reading their threads and talking to a few buddies there I would say that’s pretty rare. I’ve read some Endeavor FOs are making close to 100k if theyre willing to work. I have a buddy that’s a junior captain there and he says it’s not hard to credit 115 hours with 15 days off. I’ve only been here 3.5 years and I’d be making 130k per year if we had their pay rates and work rules.

3. I too average about 5 hours per day at the end of SAP. Based on my early statement that makes sense. 18 days off. Working 13 days at 5 hours per day equals 65 hours. But again, Republic and Endeavor are getting those same 18 days off but crediting 85. I’m on the 4 year pay scale at PSA. if I was at Endeavor I’d be around 92 bucks an hour. For me to make the same as an Endeavor captain with our crappy soft pay, premium pay, min day, etc. I’d have to make about 120 an hour with the same days off to come out even at the end of the month. And in my earlier post, I mentioned if you choose to work more that pay difference becomes greater and greater since they credit so much more per day.

And yes, United and a lot of the majors have a min day of around 5 hours. That doesn’t mean that’s what you’re getting at the end of the month based on how many days you work. Their min day is 5. That would mean a 4 day only pays on average 20 hours there. When in reality most of their 4 days pay 25-30 hours. Same as Republic and Endeavor. Like I said in my earlier posts, if we had a min day day of just 4 hours that would give me 4-7 hours more per month without changing anything else. Yes I average 5 hours at the end of the month, but there’s still several days that only pay 2.5 or 3 hours on the first or last day of a trip because of our crappy min day rules.

4. Guys made bank in 2014, but they were actually making bank based on PSA standards. What guys were crediting in 2013 and 2014 is about what Endeavor and Republic are making NOW and they don’t have to game the system in order to do it like they had to at PSA back then.

5. I don’t think camper was referring to chief pilots when he mentioned management. My interaction with our chiefs has been positive. I think he was referring to upper management given their reluctance to raise pay to competitive wages and hurt our QOL by forcing you to upgrade into random outstation bases with a two leg commute.

 

Dude I see everything clearly, new hires aren't going to fix my house.
We have 6 reps for 7 bases, we need 14 reps for 7 bases. If PSA wants to keep opening bases like lemonade stands they need to deal with the red tape that adding extra reps involves. They get everything for free, and only have to satisfy a couple reps, who don't represent the whole pilot group.

The TYS/DCA FO rep is a CA, did he vote for FOs and try to block senior manning upgrades? Or vote in favor of his own flow position to be increased. He's a nice guy I know him, but we don't know how he voted, and he does have inherent conflict of interest being an FO rep as a CA.

Ask yourself why PSA needed 6 reps for 480 pilots and only needs 6 reps for 1,800-2,000 pilots, it's just a conservation of power that the company can manipulate much cheaper than 14 separate opinions.

Blaming mgmt won't fix anything, we need to ask ourselves if it's time to recall reps, and vote for reps who will open new councils.
Why don't we as pilots care enough to force change? Answer is beacsue it isn't that bad, right?

They're so bold now it wouldn't surprise me if they cut a deal to flow 20 a month, but only for 5-10 months then a reversion back to 10. Make sure to pull the ladder up behind them, and maintain an orderly pilot group until then.

 

I don't come to work to get pampered or have my mgmt/cp blow sunshine up my @$$. I come to work to make money. Work isn't supposed to be fun.

That being said I would go to whomever paid me the most. I believe E9 and RAH have recently outdone PSA in that area. Remember RSV is difficult to make ANY extra money if you commute. Our grid restricts us from moving any trips. All days are black.

Thats just one persons opinion. PSA has been great to me. But pay would be my #1 concern in choosing a JOB.

 

I think it's more fluid and dynamic than your imagining, they were taking 4 planes a month, so guys get 30 hours block and 18 days off and can pick up above guarantee. PBS caps % of reserves, so yea inefficient schedules can pop out at the company's expense.
There not all getting 85 hours in 12-13 working days because every 4 day pays 26 hours.
A snapshot in time, is not a reflection of their strong contract if anything it's just a reflection of Delta's efficiency which AA or PSA will never have, and no amount of negotiating capital can fix that. If PSA voted a carbon copy you wouldn't see that because our schedulers are allergic to efficiency, and their contract doesn't require 26 hour 4 days.
I think we're both in agreement that DH, rigs or minday will help clean up trip credit, but it it may be deceiving to just cherry pick their pilot agreement.

I personally like ASA's duity rig which will help us get paid sitting at the gate during IROP's.

Like ASA it's cheaper to install rigs and minday when you switch to PBS, because scheduling doesn't have to split trips for conflict. AWAC and XJT have them with hardlines, but they only got because they got it right after Comair went on strike and never lost them in a BK.