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Old 07-24-2021 | 02:31 PM
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Hub to hub commutes are awful. Pick something else
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Old 07-24-2021 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by boxthrower
THIS…but clearly management and those in the “safety” department at PSA would rather keep the broken system so they can Section 18 people to keep the airline staffed. Their intentions are clear.
Safety has nothing to do with Section 18s. Flight Ops Management wields the, “big stick” in most airlines and PSA is not immune to that. So when the executive team tells them to “fix” something they have a limited number of tools available to them in their tool chest. Hence the disciplinary hearings.
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Old 07-24-2021 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
This is what I was trying to say. A good safety culture seeks the root cause so they may eliminate or reduce it. This does not seem to be happening.
I have a complex and nuanced answer for you. But I will not post it here or anywhere publicly.
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Old 07-24-2021 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Roughneck
Just wondering if the commute to DCA, PHL, DAY, and CLT is pretty easy from DFW? Looks like a lot of flights on American to those locations. I would like to stay in Dallas and commute. I know life on reserve would be better in your domicile. However, really like the metroplex.
I used to do DFW/DAL to DCA..it wasn't too bad. Plenty of flights.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
there is some relevance to that

but.. This is obviously a systemic problem. It happens over and over and over again with lots of different crews. One solution is “how do we change the system so that the problems stop happening?” The other option is “lets keep the same system but threaten the people who operate it.” The latter choice is sometimes effective, but the former one is the better way to run an airline.
I don't disagree that there is always room for improvement. I'm actually the Safety guy at my Guard unit for whatever its worth.

There's a couple of things here though - it hasn't been a problem for XX years, it's part of the Acceptance and Before Start flow. Bottom line, people are not doing their job. If they were doing their job, then it wouldn't be happening. Hence, drop the hammer. That's how it works in the theoretical world anyhow, I'm with you that we need to know why the people that forgot, forgot, what lessons we can learn from it and improvements we can make.

Just a thought - forced upgrades, lots of younger people taking the helm. What I've seen from my FOs is that they are always in a rush ! Always wanting shortcuts and flying fast. Impulsivity is one of the five dangerous attitudes. Eh, my two pennies worth...
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:15 AM
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The rumor I’ve heard is that the problem is not a change in crew behavior but a change in inspection guidance from Mitsubishi that makes this expensive.

But I will stand by my assertion that when lots of meat servos make the same mistake over and over again, the long-term solution is to change the system not beat the meat
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
The rumor I’ve heard is that the problem is not a change in crew behavior but a change in inspection guidance from Mitsubishi that makes this expensive.

But I will stand by my assertion that when lots of meat servos make the same mistake over and over again, the long-term solution is to change the system not beat the meat
hahahaa, yea save the meat beat for the overnight hotels !
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Old 07-25-2021 | 08:12 AM
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hahahaa, yea save the meat beat for the overnight hotels !
lol ok lol
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Old 07-25-2021 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I have a complex and nuanced answer for you. But I will not post it here or anywhere publicly.
I agree, it's a bit more complex to provide a specific answer in a post. I'm sure we're on the same page if we sat down and discussed.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PleaseComplete
I don't disagree that there is always room for improvement. I'm actually the Safety guy at my Guard unit for whatever its worth.

There's a couple of things here though - it hasn't been a problem for XX years, it's part of the Acceptance and Before Start flow. Bottom line, people are not doing their job. If they were doing their job, then it wouldn't be happening. Hence, drop the hammer. That's how it works in the theoretical world anyhow, I'm with you that we need to know why the people that forgot, forgot, what lessons we can learn from it and improvements we can make.

Just a thought - forced upgrades, lots of younger people taking the helm. What I've seen from my FOs is that they are always in a rush ! Always wanting shortcuts and flying fast. Impulsivity is one of the five dangerous attitudes. Eh, my two pennies worth...
Its been happening for years. And we aren’t the only airline with pilots who forget the parking brake or NWS switch.
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