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Old 07-25-2021 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
The rumor I’ve heard is that the problem is not a change in crew behavior but a change in inspection guidance from Mitsubishi that makes this expensive.

But I will stand by my assertion that when lots of meat servos make the same mistake over and over again, the long-term solution is to change the system not beat the meat
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:43 PM
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Yep. The progression of things moving from just a slap on the wrist to a section 18 are similar with iPad compliance. People aren't getting the message, so they're going to escalate. Paper jepps for 3 months as your punishment!
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Old 07-25-2021 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BurnerAccount69
Yep. The progression of things moving from just a slap on the wrist to a section 18 are similar with iPad compliance. People aren't getting the message, so they're going to escalate. Paper jepps for 3 months as your punishment!
The funny thing is, I would bet a year’s salary that when we had paper charts, there were a lot more non compliant jepps. It was just a ton of work to actually verify they were updated so it was basically the honor system. Since everything is digital now it makes verifying compliance a breeze. I’d be willing to bet compliance now is easily at least still 10 times better than pre-EFB days.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 05:56 PM
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The funny thing is, I would bet a year’s salary that when we had paper charts, there were a lot more non compliant jepps. It was just a ton of work to actually verify they were updated so it was basically the honor system. Since everything is digital now it makes verifying compliance a breeze. I’d be willing to bet compliance now is easily at least still 10 times better than pre-EFB days.
One time I got a line check with an oldean almost lifer Captain. He had been borrowing my 10-9 in Charlotte which I found odd. So the check airmam asks to see his jepps, and the last update he had "done" was at least a few years back. The check airman says "xxxx I'm not saying it have to do all of them because I know you won't, but you have to do some of them". The Captain says "I have them and holds up a dozen yellow envelopes from his flight bag".

Nearly fell out of my ratty -200 seat laughing.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
The funny thing is, I would bet a year’s salary that when we had paper charts, there were a lot more non compliant jepps. It was just a ton of work to actually verify they were updated so it was basically the honor system. Since everything is digital now it makes verifying compliance a breeze. I’d be willing to bet compliance now is easily at least still 10 times better than pre-EFB days.
I guess I did them for a boy scout operation then. The iPad stuff I have no sympathy for, its stupidly easy to be compliant.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
One time I got a line check with an oldean almost lifer Captain. He had been borrowing my 10-9 in Charlotte which I found odd. So the check airmam asks to see his jepps, and the last update he had "done" was at least a few years back. The check airman says "xxxx I'm not saying it have to do all of them because I know you won't, but you have to do some of them". The Captain says "I have them and holds up a dozen yellow envelopes from his flight bag".

Nearly fell out of my ratty -200 seat laughing.
Haha! Doesnt surprise me one bit. I would love to see the percentage of pilot’s that actually updated the CLT charts when they’ve done the visual to 18R 1,000 times in just the past year alone. I could draw the 10-9 with my eyes closed.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BurnerAccount69
I guess I did them for a boy scout operation then. The iPad stuff I have no sympathy for, its stupidly easy to be compliant.
I totally agree. There’s no excuse. I’m just putting it into perspective.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
I totally agree. There’s no excuse. I’m just putting it into perspective.
Yea, I feel like the iOS is a trivial part of it...if charts/jepp FD, hots, and comply are up to date, who cares?
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Old 07-25-2021 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BurnerAccount69
Yea, I feel like the iOS is a trivial part of it...if charts/jepp FD, hots, and comply are up to date, who cares?
Because HOTs can fail to load if the IOS isn’t up to date.
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Old 07-26-2021 | 05:02 AM
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Because HOTs can fail to load if the IOS isn’t up to date.
ahhh alright...never been in the position to find that out cuz well..mine is always up to date
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