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09-02-2013 | 01:38 PM
#2103
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What I have been hearing is fo pay frozen at 4 yr and captain at 12 yr. No flow but interview in seniority order to mainline. 40 additional aircraft. Mainline to take 40 ! Pilots a month.
How in the world would we staff 40 more aircraft? Around 400 pilots?
Before u get excited as an fo about quick upgrade think about that. I bet we couldn't get that many pilots but wait Piedmont has right around the same amount of pilots so a merger would take care of that. Now you're stuck at 4 yr pay and you didn't move.
Can't wait to see what is really in the TA cause that is a turd.
How in the world would we staff 40 more aircraft? Around 400 pilots?
Before u get excited as an fo about quick upgrade think about that. I bet we couldn't get that many pilots but wait Piedmont has right around the same amount of pilots so a merger would take care of that. Now you're stuck at 4 yr pay and you didn't move.
Can't wait to see what is really in the TA cause that is a turd.
I know air whiskey and PSA are very similar seniority wise but I thought PDT wasnt.
09-02-2013 | 01:48 PM
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So Eagle is offered a flow but PSA isn't? What a slap in the face, if that's true. Can't wait to read this thing.
They just dangled a carrot for 25% more flows = 5 more per class. WOW!!!!!!! All that for a BScale and 60 "large" rjs???
09-02-2013 | 02:28 PM
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You people are pathetic. Wait for the freakin deal to be revealed. If its a B scale and paycuts, and all the likes of what "stopping the whipsaw" is, okay fine. Vote it the heck down.
But.... Novel idea to especially you eagle trolls here... If its better than you're deal, shut the **** up and let us consider it and actually think on what's been presented.
None of you aside from the delegated members were in the negotiating room. I'm going to wait and see before I pre-burn my own airline for some dumb reason.
YEAH! LETS STOP THE WHIPSAW!
.... Where it applies, dummies. If we get a better deal then you all it ain't our fault. If we get a crappy deal I hope our pilot group has enough common sense and balls.
And before you burn this post, remember, we don't yet know what's coming. Period. Even if you do sleep with a negotiator... I don't believe you.
But.... Novel idea to especially you eagle trolls here... If its better than you're deal, shut the **** up and let us consider it and actually think on what's been presented.
None of you aside from the delegated members were in the negotiating room. I'm going to wait and see before I pre-burn my own airline for some dumb reason.
YEAH! LETS STOP THE WHIPSAW!
.... Where it applies, dummies. If we get a better deal then you all it ain't our fault. If we get a crappy deal I hope our pilot group has enough common sense and balls.
And before you burn this post, remember, we don't yet know what's coming. Period. Even if you do sleep with a negotiator... I don't believe you.
Will you voted down? I think you lack the stones to do so.
If you think you will be flying those jets with pay raises, you are dreaming.
09-02-2013 | 03:11 PM
#2107
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Now you are just flaming other pilot groups, insulting them when you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Troll Eagle all you want but leave other groups alone - you are just giving Eagle an even worse name than it has now.
09-02-2013 | 03:16 PM
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Really man? I like to troll you on Eagle topics because you are painfully predictable and you used to be one of us.
Now you are just flaming other pilot groups, insulting them when you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Troll Eagle all you want but leave other groups alone - you are just giving Eagle an even worse name than it has now.
Now you are just flaming other pilot groups, insulting them when you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Troll Eagle all you want but leave other groups alone - you are just giving Eagle an even worse name than it has now.
09-02-2013 | 03:51 PM
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They have little to lose if passed. Their pay will be frozen at whatever year they are at. Most likely 18. If pay freezes at year 12 then they will be grandfathered into and lose nothing.
Those with 10-14 years at PSA have a lot to lose if pay gets frozen. Also hear that f/o's may have pay frozen at year 4. To me regional f/o's are totally underpaid and to cap them off at year 4 is horrible. But they may vote yes for this because of a quick upgrade.
Kind of short sighted because once the growth stops, or we lose the 200's then we will be back in the same position we are in today. I would hate to be a 8 year f/o on 4th year pay flying for reduced 900 rates.
Also a preferential interview is next to useless. This isn't a carrot, it's worthless.
We also hear that we are going to get 30-40 airplanes. Well 40 airplanes is 320 pilots to hire. And we will have 5 a month go to airways. Our CP say he wants to hire 25/month. Just not sure where they are going to come from. Expecially if the f/o pay caps out at year 4.
Of course the Union has not released details of this TA. We can only guess what is in the deal.
09-02-2013 | 03:57 PM
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I think this will pass. The top 100 pilots at PSA always fall for the same old tricks. i.e.: either vote yes or die.
They have little to lose if passed. Their pay will be frozen at whatever year they are at. Most likely 18. If pay freezes at year 12 then they will be grandfathered into and lose nothing.
Those with 10-14 years at PSA have a lot to lose if pay gets frozen. Also hear that f/o's may have pay frozen at year 4. To me regional f/o's are totally underpaid and to cap them off at year 4 is horrible. But they may vote yes for this because of a quick upgrade.
Kind of short sighted because once the growth stops, or we lose the 200's then we will be back in the same position we are in today. I would hate to be a 8 year f/o on 4th year pay flying for reduced 900 rates.
Also a preferential interview is next to useless. This isn't a carrot, it's worthless.
We also hear that we are going to get 30-40 airplanes. Well 40 airplanes is 320 pilots to hire. And we will have 5 a month go to airways. Our CP say he wants to hire 25/month. Just not sure where they are going to come from. Expecially if the f/o pay caps out at year 4.
Of course the Union has not released details of this TA. We can only guess what is in the deal.
They have little to lose if passed. Their pay will be frozen at whatever year they are at. Most likely 18. If pay freezes at year 12 then they will be grandfathered into and lose nothing.
Those with 10-14 years at PSA have a lot to lose if pay gets frozen. Also hear that f/o's may have pay frozen at year 4. To me regional f/o's are totally underpaid and to cap them off at year 4 is horrible. But they may vote yes for this because of a quick upgrade.
Kind of short sighted because once the growth stops, or we lose the 200's then we will be back in the same position we are in today. I would hate to be a 8 year f/o on 4th year pay flying for reduced 900 rates.
Also a preferential interview is next to useless. This isn't a carrot, it's worthless.
We also hear that we are going to get 30-40 airplanes. Well 40 airplanes is 320 pilots to hire. And we will have 5 a month go to airways. Our CP say he wants to hire 25/month. Just not sure where they are going to come from. Expecially if the f/o pay caps out at year 4.
Of course the Union has not released details of this TA. We can only guess what is in the deal.
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