My class of 39 had 4 people not finish training, 3 washed out and 1 left for another job during IPTs.

 

And the Russians. Don't forget the Russians...

 

I didn't think that FA's had the right to deny jumpseat.

 

Is that supposed to pass for wit? Good
Lord kiddo.

 

Pilot Crusader, you are everything that is wrong with Regional Airline pilots. Your posts are the embodiment of immaturity, and by your admission, you do not look out for fellow pilots.

If the industry would get rid of the children like you and only hire professionals, and if pilots would simply not try to put each other down, then a unification could begin. If we were unified, we would not things like useless non-concession documents that you are talking about.

 

At the time, a binding contract to NOT sign concessions seemed useFUL.
With their actions, PSA proved that it was not.
You(PSA) put your fellow pilot down. Your scabs are upgrading in a year while I have FOs that have been on reserve for 3 years, and are looking at 7-8 years of poor pay before they upgrade. The only difference between them and you is that they stood up for the industry while your group took advantage of it. They knew they would benefit from saying yes, but said no for the greater good - and now they are paying the price, because you didn't play ball and effectively signed a death warrant for the careers of many.
What would have happened if no pact was signed and PSA was honest that they would readily screw over any other pilot group to look out for their own? Do you think that a level playing field like that would have resulted in you being able to do what you did? Doubtful.

So don't lecture me about moral turpitude kiddo. You belong to an organization that sucked it dry.

IF we were unified, we would not be under handing each other like management wanted. That pact was a good faith effort, by most anyway, to NOT allow management to whipsaw us and create disunity. Again, all ruined by your own selfish actions.

 

@PilotCrusader...

But it would have been ok for 450 PSA pilots to lose their jobs, as long as Envoy pilots benefited from it? That is exactly what you are saying. One group not taking concessions would not have made any difference. They would have replaced all of us. Mesa, AirWisconsin, and SkyWest would have gotten the flying. AAG would have opened new companies with no union and street captains making $50/hr.

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the people that are playing the regionals against each other. You are missing the big picture. Every PSA pilot would be looking for a new job now, at the bottom of the Mesa list, most likely. Instead, PSA pilots are thriving.

Your anger is misdirected.

 

Who cares what you think. Pleeeassseeee. Anyone with any common sense can see this is a failure of ALPA plain and simple.

 

You weren't going to get shut down dude get real. Same argument you made on the other thread. Perhaps you should go read it.
Let me ask you this - What is more "fair" in your mind: An Envoy FO who's career has stagnated to an 8 year upgrade, 3 being on reserve, or a 2-3 year PSA pilot out of a job and having to start over? Not that I believe that this was going to happen, but basically in your mind you saved your 450 pilots, allowed a venue for others to leap frog past pilots who have been "paying their dues" for much longer, and gave AAG management the crack in the dam they needed to extract pay cuts at a time of high pilot demand in the industry. Good job! Your 450 pilots survived while Envoys 3200 have stagnated, been greatly degraded or had to start over. In fact, more than 450 FOs have had to leave here to start over because of the stagnation. But hey, your 450 survived. Yay!

The take home for the unacquainted is to run the hell away from this industry. Why would you invest so much money into a career where there are more losers than winners?

 

I absolutely blame ALPA national. They are the true scum of all of this. They DID have the power to stop it but instead of being a union for pilots, they were the complete opposite. They are more like a business than anything else, interested in self preservation only. Leaders like Envoys own Bill Couette, Lee the Joke, and even the new scum, will certainly burn in hell for their actions. Lies and deception from the people we pay to help us. At least being a scumbag is expected from Dougweiser.

All that being said, I still blame PSA for breaking up the one major effort the regionals made to not only subvert chug-a-Doug, but also our own ALPA National scum.