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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I absolutely blame ALPA national. They are the true scum of all of this. They DID have the power to stop it but instead of being a union for pilots, they were the complete opposite. They are more like a business than anything else, interested in self preservation only. Leaders like Envoys own Bill Couette, Lee the Joke, and even the new scum, will certainly burn in hell for their actions. Lies and deception from the people we pay to help us. At least being a scumbag is expected from Dougweiser.

All that being said, I still blame PSA for breaking up the one major effort the regionals made to not only subvert chug-a-Doug, but also our own ALPA National scum.
So, everyone is at fault but you? I understand now.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

All that being said, I still blame PSA for breaking up the one major effort the regionals made to not only subvert chug-a-Doug, but also our own ALPA National scum.
Hey don't get me wrong it was worth a shot but in retrospect what would have happened? You are fighting the wrong battle, and I'm not talking about fighting with PSA. I'm talking about acknowledging the fact that regional airlines shouldn't even exist.

Should regional pilots stick together = irrelevant
Is alpa the best union for regional airlines = irrelevant
Should regional pilots be excited about 70 and 90 seat jets arriving = irrelevant
Signing bonuses, retention bonuses = irrelevant
Which regional will be allowed to do ATP writtens = irrelevant
100 more things I can't think of.

Should regional airlines, a B scale where mainline pilots sell scope for $$$ even exist? = Completely the right question to ask and answer no. This is your fight, this is your campaign. With any luck in 5 years regional airlines will not exist.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:34 AM
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PilotCrusader is like herpes. Thought you were quiet for a while then bam!

Anyways, didn't you openly welcome the last TA envoy voted on? Which many of my Envoy buddies voted no but $12.5k is pretty hard to turn down for you huh?

I don't see how that gives you the right to lecture ANYONE at PSA. Especially the 39% that voted no. We dealt with stagnation and furlough for YEARS while other regionals thrived from us saying no twice prior to caving. Envoy crumbled within a year. We at least stood our ground for years and passed the last TA by much smaller than what Envoy pilots passed theirs by. So spare us from your wrath of righteousness.

I sat on right seat on rsv for 2.5 years, took me 6.5 years to upgrade and guess what, I still voted NO. Sorry the past year has been so rough for you with MIA closing and losing 700's which neither has yet to happen. You're really drinking the kool aid if you think Envoy's initial yes vote would've stopped either of those events.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
So, everyone is at fault but you? I understand now.
How was Envoy at fault? Said no to concessions all the way to the bitter end and only gave up after AAG said, and then PROVED, they could shut us down and move the majority of our pilots. Tried to spearhead a pact to say no to any concessions, signed by every regional, including PSA, PROMISING that no matter what, concessions would not be given. Less than a month later, PSA signs concessions. More than a year later, after saying no more times than PSA could fathom, Envoy finally realizes that everyone must follow the pact, or no one. But envoy is at fault? How so? Is this yet another feeble attempt to misdirect from the truth: Your company sold the industry down the river.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
How was Envoy at fault? Said no to concessions all the way to the bitter end and only gave up after AAG said, and then PROVED, they could shut us down and move the majority of our pilots. Tried to spearhead a pact to say no to any concessions, signed by every regional, including PSA, PROMISING that no matter what, concessions would not be given. Less than a month later, PSA signs concessions. More than a year later, after saying no more times than PSA could fathom, Envoy finally realizes that everyone must follow the pact, or no one. But envoy is at fault? How so? Is this yet another feeble attempt to misdirect from the truth: Your company sold the industry down the river.
Replace the word "Envoy" with PSA and you will see for yourself...

How was PSA at fault? Said no to concessions all the way to the bitter end and only gave up after AAG said, and then PROVED, they could shut us down and move the majority of our pilots.


Ok, it is time for you to be quiet and let the grown-ups talk. Get a juice box and sit in the corner and be quiet.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

Oh and they DO NOT just focus on PSA threads I agree. However, As you mentioned, they are trying to triple the size of PSA and they need to keep any negative information out of the picture, or at least mediate it, even if it is the truth.
You're delusion if you truly believe "they" are paid money to get on sites such as these and midigate negative info. Also, I'd be willing to to bet the majority (not everyone) of folks interviewing or starting class at PSA even read these forums.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by UnderPar
You're delusion if you truly believe "they" are paid money to get on sites such as these and midigate negative info. Also, I'd be willing to to bet the majority (not everyone) of folks interviewing or starting class at PSA even read these forums.
Mitigate. Have to be able to spell big words to use them pal.

Actually I was not making up some conspiracy theory. Look into it a little. There is 100% truth behind this.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Mitigate. Have to be able to spell big words to use them pal.
If mitigate is a big word for you then I understand why you can't comprehend the current situation and why your anger at PSA is completely unwarranted.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Replace the word "Envoy" with PSA and you will see for yourself...

How was PSA at fault? Said no to concessions all the way to the bitter end and only gave up after AAG said, and then PROVED, they could shut us down and move the majority of our pilots.


Ok, it is time for you to be quiet and let the grown-ups talk. Get a juice box and sit in the corner and be quiet.
Is that what your nanny always said?
Grown ups. Hah! 24 years. I have seen your ATP Puppy Mill type come and go. Sooner or later PSA will hit a wall. It may be some years down the road, but it will happen. The business model fails if you actually move anywhere in a timely manner without stagnation. It is the life cycle of a regional. How many times has PSA ebbed and flowed? Let's see how you do when you are down on the ground like most of Envoys pilots are right now. Maybe you can run home and live with momma again.
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Old 02-13-2015 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
If mitigate is a big word for you then I understand why you can't comprehend the current situation and why your anger at PSA is completely unwarranted.
Oh snap! More PSA wit!! Right back at ya little guy.

Of course the assumption was if he couldn't spell it, that it was a big word for him. (Facepalm)
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