The Useful PSA Thread
04-10-2015, 09:31 AM
#3081
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Originally Posted by sublime259
What was your question? You're a brown streaker who I have zero respect for, so I kinda stopped paying attention to you.
04-10-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
Let's review some history and compare and contrast PSA and Envoy,....... one more time.
1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.
2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.
So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.
1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.
2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.
So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
04-10-2015, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fansofFRDM
Haters gonna hate
04-10-2015, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
What are you, 12? You're probably that PSA guy I saw on the bus in DCA that had a Joe Dirt beard, lol. Class act! Must be nice knowing everyone in the industry looks down on you guys.
04-10-2015, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Are you f'ing kidding me? Please show me where this caveat that PSA would be shut down if you didn't take concessions. Now would you experience the record growth that you are now? (at the expense of others, no less) Absolutely not. Would you be shut down? Ha, you're unbelievable if you actually think that. Seriously, show me where this caveat is that PSA would be shut down, I'm curious now.
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
You were tricked by your MEC and continue to believe it. You have a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome.
04-10-2015, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Are you f'ing kidding me? Please show me where this caveat that PSA would be shut down if you didn't take concessions........ (blah, blah, hate, blah denial, blah).
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
Secondly, your argument that Parker "wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned(s)" falls on itself when faced with the FACT that he DID give so many planes to Mesa, Republic, Compass, etc. instead of PSA and Envoy. Sure he'd like to keep it in-house, but if he could use it as a weapon to force concessions on his wholly-owned pilots, HE WILL! And HE HAS!
04-10-2015, 10:32 AM
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No I do not believe at all that PSA would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand when cowards such as your pilot group bowed out at the first sign that things would not be easy.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
04-10-2015, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
No I do not believe at all that PSA would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand when cowards such as your pilot group bowed out at the first sign that things would not be easy.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
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