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Old 05-07-2015 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
I dont quite follow how you get your percentages. Can you break that down?
He uses common core math. Here's how he sees it

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Old 05-07-2015 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
You don't have the upgrade minimums when they come to you. Those junior to you with the time upgrade. When the upgrades reach the bottom of the list, that is even worse for those with little 121 time, since that effectively pushes your upgrade threshold from 50-55% to 35-40%. That means you will have to rise to 35-40% on the list before you can upgrade. Because 10-20% of the pilots below you have taken spots already.

Understand now?


The moderators don't kick people out for stating the realities of the industry. They do kick out people who revert to name calling and attacks like you have done.

You are making your cause worse.
While you'll eventually be right, as of this moment you are not. We are still set to be almost 100% bigger than we are today in 2 years time. What you are saying makes sense(kinda) if we had just received our last acft. That is simply not the case. Even if your "doomsday" scenario of parking 200 actually occurs(it won't.....yet) we will still see a net growth of almost 30 acft in the next 2 years. Lastly your above numbers assume no attrition among the ranks of those junior pilots who are upgrading. Many of those cats have thousands upon thousands of hours and the one thing holding them back is PIC. A lot of them will move on very quickly.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
Well, heres the deal. There is a method to my madness. I realize at face value that statement seems crazy but theres more behind the scene. Right now, I currently work a government job where im basically topped out at 55k a year. I'll never bust through that (minus cost of living raises, 1.5% every 3 years whoo hoo!). Im in a pilot position, but that could change at the drop of a hat, so theres no real job security as a pilot. I have no debt, except my home, and my wife has an excellent job where she makes more than me and Im on her insurance. Im 33 years old and have basically no money tied up in flight training. At this point, a 5k investment toward a career where the earning potential is double (triple assuming employment at a major down the road) and job security as a pilot. I realize there are furlough possibilities and I dont mean that the airlines are stable, I simply mean, as a pilot you probably wont get a call one day to go in and work the ticket counter.

As many have said on here, the regionals are typically a stepping stone, but hell, even as a captain at PSA (or any regional for that matter) I stand to make a heck of a lot more money and have a better QOL than I currently have. From what research I have done, PSA seems to be the best fit for me.
If you are currently employed in a flying position there is no reason to take any kind of RJ course. The training dept will prepare you.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 05:14 AM
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He doesn't have the ATP written, so he has to take the CTP course, not the RJ course.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
He doesn't have the ATP written, so he has to take the CTP course, not the RJ course.
Indeed, I misunderstood....apologies.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 06:50 AM
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Yea, unfortunately I didnt take my atp written before last august, so im hosed with taking that CTP course. At the time I didnt need an ATP so I wasnt on fire to take the written. You live and you learn.

I definitely wont take thr RJ course for the same reason someone mentioned. Right now im an empty sponge and the last thing I want to do is learn something then relearn it a new way.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
He has no point. He is trolling several threads at the same time for fun.

This is the problem with APC. The moderators are impotent and refuse to just kick trolls out. It serves little value and more members are wannabe pilots than actual pilots. It is frustrating, yet we all come back for more. There is no way that the nonsense on here would happen on any professional type forum.

You're one of the worst trolls of all. You come across as a recruiter who is trying to paint a shiny picture of a dirtbag company. All you want is for the regional churn to continue so you can get some other poor guy below you. Face it, PSA has a bad name in this industry for a reason!

Answer me this question honestly...how long have you been in the 121 world??
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Old 05-07-2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
You don't have the upgrade minimums when they come to you. Those junior to you with the time upgrade. When the upgrades reach the bottom of the list, that is even worse for those with little 121 time, since that effectively pushes your upgrade threshold from 50-55% to 35-40%. That means you will have to rise to 35-40% on the list before you can upgrade. Because 10-20% of the pilots below you have taken spots already.

Understand now?


The moderators don't kick people out for stating the realities of the industry. They do kick out people who revert to name calling and attacks like you have done.

You are making your cause worse.
Your overthinking it my man. There was a guy in my interview class in September that swore up and down that the upgrades were over and we were all just going to be backfill Fo's. He was convinced, he had "crunched the numbers" and I haven't sceen him since. I am 0 121 and I can tell you that I was convinced the second round of 900's (if received) would be 1 for 1 with 200's being parked. You are forgitting that the 700's aren't coming from a manufacturer and their deliverys can be throttled up or down month to month. No 0 121 guy can even calculate their upgrade time right now, it's just get 1k hours and assess the situation. The guys salaviting over an upgrade time projection are the ones with 6K+ hours, and I highly doubt they were chomping at the bit their first year at their fist airline like they are now. I am very glad PSA is upgradeing guys with serious time in type no matter the order. Your sole focus is to "educate" everyone on upgrage time, it kinda reminds me of a young lady a few years ago who was concerned she would upgrade without flying all 4 seasons, and was with a captain who probably ungraded in "senority order" but had 100+/- hours in type. I can tell your that their biggest problem was not upgrade projections. Every new hire at PSA with 0 121 for at least the next year and a half will have the oppturnity to upgrade when they're comfortable doing so. That concept is new to the regionals because for so many years it was "when can I hold it", so calculating that was all that was important with the undertone that it would be so far out of course they'd be ready.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 09:30 AM
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What would be the upgrade time be now with someone with over 1,000 SIC at PSA? My upgrade just got postponed at another carrier, and starting to get fed up. Also any rumors about them adjusting their agreement with AAG and making it a straight flow?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
You're one of the worst trolls of all. You come across as a recruiter who is trying to paint a shiny picture of a dirtbag company. All you want is for the regional churn to continue so you can get some other poor guy below you. Face it, PSA has a bad name in this industry for a reason!

Answer me this question honestly...how long have you been in the 121 world??
I doubt he's a recruiter, he's just countering the negitivity everywhere. The regional "pride" is over. Mostly because regional selection process is over. Your don't need a letter of rec to get on at ASA. Delta doesn't own them anymore, and the current wave of ASA new hires are no more likely to be at Delta than anyone else. It's now a stampede of cattle to the feeding trough and the more pic time you can get the bigger your horns are.
Mainline looks at regionals like you do this this. What company took at your trash last year? We're they union or non-union? Do they have better work rules and pay contract than the company that use to take out your trash? Does it infuriate you that your garbage man is now pay capped if he decides to make a career at it?
They don't care, they don't wanna care, they ain't never gonna care. In truth, it is infuriating that that's the way it is. Eagle did get screwed, but that doesn't chage the reality that it will only cost you more if you let it.
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