The Useful PSA Thread
05-10-2015 | 01:17 PM
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There has to be a CA vacancy for your FOs to upgrade into. With such a large majority who do NOT meet upgrade minimums; many will become trapped in the right seat. That's fact.
Meanwhile, our guys will be a street to AA in under six years. A very nice backup plan while they apply everywhere. You PSA and PDT guys are the ones that always said AAG does what they say.... Well, that's what they're saying. Is your PSA CEO an actual AAG officer? Ours is.
Meanwhile, our guys will be a street to AA in under six years. A very nice backup plan while they apply everywhere. You PSA and PDT guys are the ones that always said AAG does what they say.... Well, that's what they're saying. Is your PSA CEO an actual AAG officer? Ours is.
Whether you like it or not Envoy has gone from five bases to two. 2500 pilots to 2100, and soon to be 1500. We have lost flying to everybody under the sun, and your making this amazing prediction that it will b the place to be in 18 months. Shoot, I should take you to Vegas.
05-10-2015 | 01:24 PM
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Ohhh he is an actual AAG officer, which means he is a 50 pound monkey that's get picked on by a 100 pound monkey. I never had the pleasure of working for a CEO that willingly let's work go to the competition. Not sure how bragging about it makes any difference.
Whether you like it or not Envoy has gone from five bases to two. 2500 pilots to 2100, and soon to be 1500. We have lost flying to everybody under the sun, and your making this amazing prediction that it will b the place to be in 18 months. Shoot, I should take you to Vegas.
Whether you like it or not Envoy has gone from five bases to two. 2500 pilots to 2100, and soon to be 1500. We have lost flying to everybody under the sun, and your making this amazing prediction that it will b the place to be in 18 months. Shoot, I should take you to Vegas.
Ask the PSA MEC, they're afraid of exactly what I've just described.
05-10-2015 | 01:28 PM
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Ohhh he is an actual AAG officer, which means he is a 50 pound monkey that's get picked on by a 100 pound monkey. I never had the pleasure of working for a CEO that willingly let's work go to the competition. Not sure how bragging about it makes any difference.
Whether you like it or not Envoy has gone from five bases to two. 2500 pilots to 2100, and soon to be 1500. We have lost flying to everybody under the sun, and your making this amazing prediction that it will b the place to be in 18 months. Shoot, I should take you to Vegas.
Whether you like it or not Envoy has gone from five bases to two. 2500 pilots to 2100, and soon to be 1500. We have lost flying to everybody under the sun, and your making this amazing prediction that it will b the place to be in 18 months. Shoot, I should take you to Vegas.
05-10-2015 | 01:34 PM
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If any new hire comes to Envoy, just be aware you will get hired on with a seniority number of 2100ish, over the next 18-24 months we have to lose 600 pilots to be "properly sized." Of course all those guys will be I front of you, but we will be losing flying so your relative seniority will stay the same. That means 18+ months sitting airport reserve and short call reserve starting at 4:00am. If everything goes as planned after the downsizing is complete, then you will start to move up due to flow and attrition. So roughly add another year onto the 18+ months and life will start to be good. Hopefully from there it will all be sunshine and rainbows. But who knows, just do what's best for you and whoever else is important in your life.
At 2000 pilots with 300 not flowing; guess what... It's still under six years. I don't like AAG any more than the next guy, but since restarting their flow, it is and has been working exactly as they said it would. Has it not?
05-10-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Cujo, you know that those slots cannot be filled overnight. It is not like you are gonna get 300-400 street captains waiting to interview the moment PSA opens the gate. They still have aircraft deliveries, and by the time all is set and done in 2018 there will still be at-least some attrition to continue the upgrade momentum. You can't have it both ways, you are saying PSA can't staff airplanes so they need street captains, and you're saying they will be overstaffed with street captains clogging the left seat for the bypassing fo's. Which is it?
05-10-2015 | 01:54 PM
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Don't believe me; ask your own PSA MEC. They're the ones crying to ALPA National. They don't want more airplanes unless they can steal not just the planes from other airlines, but they want the pilots with the planes too. Ask them why that is.....
05-10-2015 | 01:59 PM
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One leads to the other. The lack of FOs qualified to upgrade will drive the need for street captains. That will reduce and clog the upgrade opportunities.
Don't believe me; ask your own PSA MEC. They're the ones crying to ALPA National. They don't want more airplanes unless they can steal not just the planes from other airlines, but they want the pilots with the planes too. Ask them why that is.....
Don't believe me; ask your own PSA MEC. They're the ones crying to ALPA National. They don't want more airplanes unless they can steal not just the planes from other airlines, but they want the pilots with the planes too. Ask them why that is.....
05-10-2015 | 02:06 PM
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The Useful PSA Thread
This has nothing to do with believing you or PSA's MEC for that matter. It comes down to logic, what you are saying does not make sense. Yes, having street captains reduces the amount of total slots, but staffing an airline is not done instantaneously. So long as there is an open bid, which based on delivery schedule alone would suggest that there will be many more to come, a bypassing FO can upgrade. Again, are you saying that PSA will be able to staff the upcoming aircrafts or not? Even regionals with no growth are upgrading due to attrition so why do you think the movement would stop there to the extent that the entire FO corps would be stuck? Is it not safe to estimate that some upgrade bids would still be published? No one seems stuck to me, because staffing and attrition are continuous and dynamic.
05-10-2015 | 02:12 PM
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This has nothing to do with believing you or PSA's MEC for that matter. It comes down to logic, what you are saying does not make sense. Yes, having street captains reduces the amount of total slots, but staffing an airline is not done instantaneously. So long as there is an open bid, which based on delivery schedule alone would suggest that there will be many more to come, a bypassing FO can upgrade. Again, are you saying that PSA will be able to staff the upcoming aircrafts or not? Even regionals with no growth are upgrading due to attrition so why do you think the movement would stop here to the extent that the entire FO corps would be stuck? Is it not safe to estimate that some upgrade bids would still be published? No one seems stuck to me, because staffing and attrition are continuous and dynamic.
If your MEC didn't think this was a problem, then why are they now trying to steal pilots (transfer) after they stole planes too? Stealing planes wasn't bad enough, they now want to demand the pilots come with the planes.
You do the math why they're pushing that, but not making it public.
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