Originally Posted by Cujo665

Really? you go tell a NY FO that drives to work and picks up tons of OT because it's easy so close to base grossing $60k; that their base is closing and they should commute across the country, forget about the $20k OT, start paying for a Crashpad from their meager FO pay, start paying $80 a month for parking, and spend an extra 15-20 hours a month commuting uncompensated..... That their 11-12 days off requires them to commute in the day before each trip so they only have 7-8 days off a month at home.... When they can simply walk into Endeavor and get an instant $10k pay raise, stay based at home, and with all the hiring we both agree is coming they'll be street hired someplace better..... Your right, they should ALL stay right here.

Your mentality is exactly what's wrong with the regional industry.

thankfully, it looks like our management may have realized what we've been telling them, keep the planes, start upgrading and people will stay and come here. Now let's see how they play it.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

I have no problem with you telling any pilot that, or counseling any pilot looking for advise on a move. I have a problem with you using their union podium to do so. If that's the best you can do as a union man you should step down. You weren't even posturing. You ligitementally wanted them to leave for your own leverage and bonus.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

I wanted them to know all their options and decide themselves. So you think it's okay to tell them one on one, but not share the information with all?

In any event I expect AAG to take some type of action to ensure people still flock to their wholly owned regionals.

Oh, BTW, the 97 E175's (not 47 like you said) were given away by Horton to RAH during the bankruptcy as leverage for his $20M buyout. They were never part of any discussion with us.

You have a lot of facts wrong.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

I know how they got there.
There in trouble though you could spend more time trying to get them and less time telling your fos to quit. Your hard line attitude has cost very little on the past because there was little oppturnity elsewhere, that is currently changing. I am sure a balance is required or we would still be paying to play. If you spent more time trying to help your fos instead of try to embarrass or insult PSA you would be serveing your union guys much better.

Originally Posted by sublime259

Good god, please turn your spellcheck on. I sure hope english is your second language, because all your posts make you sound like sheet. Sorry, I finally had to say something.

Originally Posted by skydrol500

You need to take a breath. It is common for an ALPA carrier to offer preferential hiring to another ALPA or even Teamsters carrier set to lay off members.

It's not poaching. It's manners. Unless you can provide a letter to the contrary, that's all that's going on.

Been there done that.

I can understand why you feel the way you do but it's dishonest to selectively portray routine ALPA business as something nefarious.

Originally Posted by sublime259

And trust me, PSA is sooo hated by envoy pilots that I can see very few jumping ship for a street captain position. PSA has already scraped the bottom of the envoy barrel.

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Envoy pilots are just getting started over here. I predict at least 50 new Envoy pilots will come by December and be Captains here.