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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
The original TA had us all going to 12/4. The new one protects all current pilots on the property. No current FO's capped at all, all senior guys keep stepping up, and if flow stopped there were protections there as well. The buyout went from $1,500 to $12,500, and we're still slated to be getting 130 new E-jets, and now very possibly keeping a few of the current fleet much longer as well. We can debate which deal was better until we are blue in the face.

The reality is this industry for the first time in all of our lifetimes is having an actual pilot shortage. The ENTIRE rest of the industry was standing together, and PSA knifed everybody in the back; and from listening to you rationalize it, you guys seem proud that you enabled managements to continue to force the race to the bottom. We were only as strong as our weakest link, we know where that weak link is dont' we? The company sure did.... 4 weeks. Good job.

Have ANY of you PSAers even bothered to call your MEC Reps and ask if they weren't trying to get national to help them steal pilots to staff the planes?
In regards to your last paragraph- I don't know if they did. I want to know. So I'll ask. Would your pilots want to come over with the planes?
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
The original TA had us all going to 12/4. The new one protects all current pilots on the property. No current FO's capped at all, all senior guys keep stepping up, and if flow stopped there were protections there as well. The buyout went from $1,500 to $12,500, and we're still slated to be getting 130 new E-jets, and now very possibly keeping a few of the current fleet much longer as well. We can debate which deal was better until we are blue in the face.

The reality is this industry for the first time in all of our lifetimes is having an actual pilot shortage. The ENTIRE rest of the industry was standing together, and PSA knifed everybody in the back; and from listening to you rationalize it, you guys seem proud that you enabled managements to continue to force the race to the bottom. We were only as strong as our weakest link, we know where that weak link is dont' we? The company sure did.... 4 weeks. Good job.

Have ANY of you PSAers even bothered to call your MEC Reps and ask if they weren't trying to get national to help them steal pilots to staff the planes?
You are just a broken record so no point in discussing it wih you anymore. Here is a little fact for you and all the other MEC members at every airline: There is no leverage at the regional level until mainline takes back 100% of scope. You live in a dream world where we were all about to get huge raises and QOL enhancements if PSA voted no, if you live in that kind of reality then you shouldn't be a union rep.

Here is another fact for you: Last year PSA pilots were third among all regional carriers in average earnings, higher than Envoy........
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:33 AM
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The PSA MEC is attempting to allow Envoy pilots (only those who want to come) to get first bid at the soon to be street captain positions, that is all. If they don't want to come then they will take applications from the many other candidates that will be waiting in line to start at $62.90 an hour in the left seat.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by joek
In regards to your last paragraph- I don't know if they did. I want to know. So I'll ask. Would your pilots want to come over with the planes?
You gotta be kidding. No sane envoy pilot will go to PSA with the airplanes. That's like stabbing in the back your own people in the wound PSA opened.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:38 AM
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With all the jets that are transferred to PSA over the next couple of years, is there a chance that PSA might open new hubs in the Northeast or the Midwest?
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
You gotta be kidding. No sane envoy pilot will go to PSA with the airplanes. That's like stabbing in the back your own people in the wound PSA opened.
There has already been many Envoy pilots hired over the last year, I've referred two of them. Welcome to reality.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
There has already been many Envoy pilots hired over the last year, I've referred two of them. Welcome to reality.
That's why I said "sane". Those who left are being watched by many people over here.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
That's why I said "sane". Those who left are being watched by many people over here.

Oooooo, scary.


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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:58 AM
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Oooooo, scary.

lol
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Old 05-12-2015 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
That's why I said "sane". Those who left are being watched by many people over here.
Lol what does this even mean?
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