The Useful PSA Thread
05-12-2015, 03:49 PM
#4121
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I've seen it. It is true. I don't have it to post. Like the Cuuj said, ask your Union reps.
Why would the envoy guys be mad? Well let's see....You get awarded our planes and we shrink and stagnate. Before even taking a single airplane, your Union sends a letter to ALPA national saying that taking the planes right now will cause you to implode. They then suggest we(envoy) should commit to helping you by striking a deal to send you our pilots with the planes.
Well why not keep the planes, and the pilots at envoy? Would that not be better for all of our pilots? Should they go over to PSA at the bottom of your list and sit reseve forever, making $62.90/hr, or by keeping our planes longer, should they stay here and make north of $80/hr, and flow faster? You guys say you didn't ask for what happened to you but your arguments are selfish. Our pilots would make more money staying put and letting the natural course play out. You make it sound like you are doing our pilots a favor when once again you are really self serving. Your Union needs a blanket party.
Why would the envoy guys be mad? Well let's see....You get awarded our planes and we shrink and stagnate. Before even taking a single airplane, your Union sends a letter to ALPA national saying that taking the planes right now will cause you to implode. They then suggest we(envoy) should commit to helping you by striking a deal to send you our pilots with the planes.
Well why not keep the planes, and the pilots at envoy? Would that not be better for all of our pilots? Should they go over to PSA at the bottom of your list and sit reseve forever, making $62.90/hr, or by keeping our planes longer, should they stay here and make north of $80/hr, and flow faster? You guys say you didn't ask for what happened to you but your arguments are selfish. Our pilots would make more money staying put and letting the natural course play out. You make it sound like you are doing our pilots a favor when once again you are really self serving. Your Union needs a blanket party.
05-12-2015, 03:51 PM
#4122
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You would be all for a merger with a Date of Hire integration?
05-12-2015, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
And you make it sound like there is something we can do about it. You get to decide. The choice is all yours. Don't screw it up.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
05-12-2015, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
In all seriousness, I don't have the answers. All I know is that there are bigger pieces at play than either you or I have knowledge of. Some on this thread do make PSA look bad. But a lot of you guys come on here and stir the pot needlessly. Both sides egging the other on. What's the point really?
05-12-2015, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster.
05-12-2015, 03:57 PM
#4126
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster. Basically it would help bridge the gap between our 145 shrink and the 175s coming on line. It HELPS pilots you daft twit! It helps you guys too...You can sort out your twisted training bubble and take the planes later.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
And if you would post the letter, then we could read it and we may agree with you. Until then, we have no idea what you are talking about.
05-12-2015, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I would accept the standard ALPA integration. Consolidated regional airlines would be in pilots best interests. Better bargaining power, no whipsawing. Not that it matters, the whole thing is about to crumble down around us anyway.
05-12-2015, 03:57 PM
#4128
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster. Basically it would help bridge the gap between our 145 shrink and the 175s coming on line. It HELPS pilots you daft twit! It helps you guys too...You can sort out your twisted training bubble and take the planes later.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
05-12-2015, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
So how long do you think it would take for Envoy to upgrade the likely 200 to 250 thy would come to PSA as CAs?
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