logic1

Is the pay rate on Apc not correct?

badtransam97

Ok. I was just looking at the flights I had to choose from. And to comply with the 2 flight deal for the commuter policy, I'd have to catch the 6:xx flight out. With a 2hr drive to get to the airport, I may have to come up before hand as bad as I hate to. Maybe I should stick to driving to TYS until I can hold a line in CLT, because I think the actual "travel time" is going to be about the same.
Once a line holder, it would hopefully be easier to bid late shows and not have to get to the airport quite as early. Idk..

LucasM

It's not like it would cost them a penny to change it to a flow, in fact it would save money and resources. Why can't they just throw us a bone? Win/Win the way I see it

Waitingformins

You won't do that more than 2-3 times. Then you'll be on the last flight that will get you there in time. If you get bumped off, o well, life's a *****, you marry one then you die. Remember, it's PSA, you need to learn too look at your shoes when your in uniform.
The rest of the industry expects you to go to another airline were you will make exactly the same amount and be forced to live in an airport for 3+ years. If your not jaded then you didn't do it right.

sublime259

Oh young grasshopper, welcome to the 121 world...the place where leverage means everything. "Throwing a bone" doesn't happen. Nothing's for free. Expect to be asked for more concessions and expect to be hated on even more the second you accept them.

JuniorButSenior

I have forgotten how entertaining these forums can be !!

Theonemarine

Was on the PDT post but I'll leave this right here. Come on over to PSA. It's greater than a poop emoji.

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badtransam97

How's the CA upgrade looking for a zero time 121 person? I know the DEC's are eternal reserve. Wondering about the other guys. I know Piedmont supposedly has the better deal, but some of their bases can't be reached from this part of the country haha!

daOldMan

There is so much movement in the regional industry that no one can do better than guess what will happen in the next 2-3 years. Things can change overnight. The "guaranteed" flow can turn to crap in a heartbeat, and the loser airline can be the next golden child.

Pick a place that has domiciles that work for you, offer a decent quality of life, and one that is not on the verge of bankruptcy. Other than that, everything is a guess. We only know half of what is going on. The management holds the cards, and they don't even know exactly what is going to happen.

Republic could tank, and there is no telling what could happen next. Air Wisconsin may not get a new contract extension. MESA could vote down their TA and lose AA flying. PSA could implode due to terrible management. (Envoy will likely be a great place...just ask Cujo).

No one knows what is going to happen, most of all, pilots.

Here is something to think about...

If PSA is in fact hiring street captains, and you are not on property yet, then you will obviously be junior to them. These street captains will likely never benefit from the SSP (20 years?), but are likely guys with years in the regionals and now getting their PIC time. Will these guys stay at PSA long, or will they bail at the first chance (SouthWest, Jet Blue, Virgin, Cargo)? I would guess that they will be some of the first people to leave the company. Sure, there will be some attrition from the top, but in the "new regional" model, the attrition will likely be more spread out.

The important question:
If you were a former Comair/Endeavor/Pinnacle guy, had 8-10 years in the regionals before PSA, and now getting your 121 PIC time, how long would you want to stay on reserve? If you were going to be on reserve for 3-4 years because you were hired as a street captain, would you bail at the first chance that you got?

Conversely, if you were a 10-12 year guy at PSA, were a line holding captain with Christmas and Thanksgiving off every year, and got the schedule that you wanted every month, would you be as hungry to make a jump to another airline? Would you give that up, along with your flow in a few years, to go and work at a LCC? Most likely you would not.

Typically, street captains at regionals should be looked at as temporary employees. They come in, get some time, and are the first to leave. Historically, this is true.

MitchRapp

^ Isn't this APC? This is no place for a logical post such as yours. Seriously though, good post. Newbs should read and take heed before Cujo and Sublime find it.