The Useful PSA Thread
09-15-2015 | 08:38 AM
#5621
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Piedmont attempted to stop all agreements like the PSA deal immediately after PSA signed bc they knew they would be placed in that position as well and with half the fleet timing out in 2 years, knew what would happen with a vote. Bill Sprauge, the former ENY mec chairman LAUGHED in the PDT negotiating committee and mec vice chairs FACES. The same PDT delegation got virtually the same response from EVERYONE at all the ALPA regionals in the room that day. Why do you think they didn't sign it?
You have no idea what you're talking about. Don't believe me?
Give you their contact info and you can ask them. They're still furious at national and Bill.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Don't believe me?
Give you their contact info and you can ask them. They're still furious at national and Bill.
09-15-2015 | 08:41 AM
#5622
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I will inform you. PSA has currently 86 aircraft with 24 more 900 options and another 38 Envoy CRJs left to transfer. In the end that will give you a fleet count of 148 aircraft. You already have 86 of them, you still have 62 more to go. And that's IF you still get ALL of envoys CRJS. Aspen plus your ability to staff all that flying will be the deciding factor. But let's say you do. A total fleet count of 148 and staffing of 11 pilots per aircraft gives you a total need for 1628 active line pilots. Call it 1800 to have 150 work in the training/recruiting/company. You guys currently have close to 1200 active pilots. You need another 600. Anyone coming through the door today at PSA is going to be in the bottom 33% of the seniority list. That means you are hiring long term FOs at this point. With no flow, and an interview of 4 a month, which I hear last month didn't go well for 2 individuals interviewing, then that means there is going to be a very long upgrade for anyone coming through the door once this place stagnates and settles down with its final pilot count. And even if you are loosing 10 Captains a month to the majors, you are still looking at a 3 plus year upgrade for anyone hired today. I mean with your training center, it will take 7 or 8 months just to get through IOE. And then with SAP not working out like it should, being a bottom FO on reserve not flying much, it might take 3 years just to get the 1000 SIC from date of hire.
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09-15-2015 | 08:49 AM
#5623
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While I agree that sooner than later, that last captain will be hired and upgrade will shoot up, what is this obsession with Aspen that you guys have? I mean seriously, it's crazy. You guys are nuts about that place and act like the entire future of all airlines hinges on who's flying into Aspen. I don't care about Aspen and no one at PSA cares about Aspen and of all the horrible things this company does to us, worrying about Aspen is last on the list of things we care about.
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09-15-2015 | 08:51 AM
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09-15-2015 | 08:55 AM
#5625
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I'm not criticizing Republic or Pinnacle, either. They did what they felt they had to do. My frustration is reserved for the larger regional airline business model that allows those sort of ultimatums to be made.
09-15-2015 | 08:55 AM
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While I agree that sooner than later, that last captain will be hired and upgrade will shoot up, what is this obsession with Aspen that you guys have? I mean seriously, it's crazy. You guys are nuts about that place and act like the entire future of all airlines hinges on who's flying into Aspen. I don't care about Aspen and no one at PSA cares about Aspen and of all the horrible things this company does to us, worrying about Aspen is last on the list of things we care about.
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If you come today to PSA with more than 700 hours 121 time you will upgrade as soon as you have 300 hours at PSA. I'm in the staffing meetings.
Your math is off by two aircraft. We will have 150, 61 more to go.
09-15-2015 | 08:56 AM
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I honest to God hope they decide to let you keep them. For selfish reasons I hope it's that big a deal to them. I don't think it's going to stop them, but I wish they would. That way this ridiculous company can't use the addition of airplanes we didn't even want, to crush our careers at AAG.
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Cracks me up still that anybody thinks we voted for the 700's. Just sorta happened. Not that it wasn't expected with AA verbally and in writing stating that they wanted common fleet types.
Nonetheless here we are. Still battling back and forth with ENY and XJT guys who think we really had anything to do with their deal. My guess, PSA says no, eny gets the psa 700s AWAC or the desert gets the 200s PSA is gone or almost gone by present date. It's happened before and it can happen again, to anyone.
Whatever though, I'll keep going to work and doing the best job I can.
09-15-2015 | 08:57 AM
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From: CRJ FO
I've said this before, but I'll go ahead make the point again... PSA isn't the only CRJ operator for AAG. There are a few others. Aspen isn't anywhere close to our route structure. Just because Envoy is currently flying their 700s to Aspen doesn't mean that when those same 700s are transferred to PSA, that we have to do the exact same flying. As others have said, I don't understand the obsession some of you Envoy people have with it.
09-15-2015 | 08:58 AM
#5629
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I already posted nothing but a passing conversation about Aspen here at PSA. Nothing submitted to the FAA nor any immediate plans to.
If you come today to PSA with more than 700 hours 121 time you will upgrade as soon as you have 300 hours at PSA. I'm in the staffing meetings.
Your math is off by two aircraft. We will have 150, 61 more to go.
If you come today to PSA with more than 700 hours 121 time you will upgrade as soon as you have 300 hours at PSA. I'm in the staffing meetings.
Your math is off by two aircraft. We will have 150, 61 more to go.
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09-15-2015 | 08:59 AM
#5630
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Good lord young man. You really know nothing about airline operations do you?
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