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12-06-2014 | 07:03 AM

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The higher recent failure rate is a proof that the training department won't pass someone just to meet the quota. I don't think that's lowering the bar but rather being consistent with their past standards. While I do agree the quick upgrades are gone. However compared to the past, anything less than 5 year upgrade is not bad at all. Many of us sat on the right seat beyond that and still do across the industry.

Maybe AA will pull what Delta just did to AWAC and stop the transfer of Envoy's CRJs. Sorry to say this to our new FOs but I rather see them 700s stay at Envoy and stop this bickering madness. Let's the 5-6 year FOs at Envoy upgrade and let the PSA new hires sit on the right seat for 3-4 years and learn from various captains before upgrading.

All E145's retire between 2016 and 2020. first 25 crj's start about 2018. basically all envoy aircraft have short time left especially the enbraers. this is of course without digging into records, just what has been filed in bankruptcy and lease agrements. so wherever they go, they wont be there long.

12-06-2014 | 08:23 AM

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This is like a school playground the last few pages. Pretty funny actually. Is it possible that AAG and Envoy can still forge a deal? Or are they done talking? Hmm, perhaps I'm asking the wrong thread.

12-06-2014 | 08:26 AM

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This is like a school playground the last few pages. Pretty funny actually. Is it possible that AAG and Envoy can still forge a deal? Is it still possible for them to still make a deal?

A deal to do what? Are there unassigned airplanes with delivery dates in 2015 still?

12-06-2014 | 08:29 AM

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A deal to do what? Are there unassigned airplanes with delivery dates in 2015 still?

Oh, for Envoy to keep the CRJs. Can they still keep them or are they a done deal? Out of there?

12-06-2014 | 08:35 AM

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Oh, for Envoy to keep the CRJs. Can they still keep them or are they a done deal? Out of there?

I suspect those are going to go regardless. Any deal they could work out would probably be for new airplanes, although I'm not sure its possible to see delivery dates in 2015. It's best that American move 50 seat airplanes to carriers with lower labor cost structures.

12-06-2014 | 09:17 AM

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Did you just really say 19% failure rate is almost 1/3? You're worried about blood spilling while complaining about the high washout rate? Pick a side man...

I'm glad the wash out rate is high. I know for a fact that PSA training department is quite solid. Flew with a bunch of ex comair, DHL, fractional pilots and they've all said PSA training is equally hard as their previous hardest initial experiences or is the hardest so far but fair. And all the brand new 121 FOs I've been flying with are sharper than I was when I went through so I think they'll be alright.

You still counting your imaginary PSA Jumpseat denial numbers? Must be near thousands by now.

I do not know percentages for the pass/fail rate here at PSA. I can only tell you my experience with PSA. I just finished sim training this week. The sim instructors are very professional and are good at what they do. My sim partner and I were both previous 121 guys, and neither of us were typed in the CRJ. We both had less then 400 hours 121 time, so we were still pretty new to flying 121. We were both CFI before our previous 121 job. We both passed our type ride with no problems, and needed no extra sim events before the Checkride. We had 2 weeks off between ground training in DAY before going to the sims. Start to finish was 2 weeks for our sims. You simply have to prepare and do your part. Training at PSA was comparable to my training experience at my previous 121 job. PM me if you have any questions about PSA.

12-06-2014 | 09:33 AM

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Bullcrap. It's about spite. If cost was an issue I'm willing to bet they wouldn't be going to EV.

12-06-2014 | 10:54 AM

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Bullcrap. It's about spite. If cost was an issue I'm willing to bet they wouldn't be going to EV.

I'm not sure we are on the same page. I'm saying with Envoy's higher labor costs compared to the rest of the contractors coupled with the high costs of flying 50 seat jet aircraft, its best the 50 seat airplanes go to PSA. Envoy should fly more 700s and 900s which are more economical and have greater ability to generate revenue for the same (relatively) labor costs they have today.

12-06-2014 | 11:19 AM

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This is like a school playground the last few pages. Pretty funny actually. Is it possible that AAG and Envoy can still forge a deal? Is it still possible for them to still make a deal?

A deal to do what? Are there unassigned airplanes with delivery dates in 2015 still?

40 E-175 are still to be delivered starting in October 2015. Also looks like the 90options are on the table.

Today, yes a Saturday, the company and the MEC are negotiating.