Originally Posted by FirstClass

New guy here, will be training in February.

Are the guys getting hired right out of PSA class to the majors, are they Captains or FO's? I'm guessing FO's as a Captain from another regional would have no reason to start over as an FO.

Why would more FO's be leaving PSA then Captains?

Thanks

Originally Posted by buddies8

in order to have quick upgrades with flow and majors hiring you need to have replacements, the pool is drying up. right now is most lateral moves and military. both dry up fast. what you gonna do then?

Originally Posted by Leonardo

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Yes, guys are getting hired right out of class (still in class actually) to majors. It happened to two guys in my class. One got his hiring notification the third week we were in class and another got hired between Indoc and Sims. Both were either prior military or prior 121.

As the majors start doing a lot of hiring next year, which should continue for several years after that, all of the prior 121 guys at PSA with at least 3-4,000 hours will be subject to leaving pretty quick, even if they're still an FO.

This talk about the last 12-14 month upgrade FO already being hired due to the expansion of the fleet isn't taking into account the accelerated rate at which pilots, both FO's and CA's, will be leaving. Even after PSA takes delivery of all the 700's and 900's, which isn't scheduled to be completed until Dec 2016, there will still be quick upgrades so long as the end of the pipeline leading to the majors keeps flowing. Of course, if that stops, then everything upstream will stop as well.

The truth is, the only people who know for sure are the ones who can tell the future....so go grab your magic 8-balls.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

My interview group didn't contain a single 121 lateral-move guy. Everyone was mostly CFI or Pt91 with a couple 135 guys too.

Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus

I believe a lot of the recent 121 folks are endeavor. They had 20 in my buddies class nov 11

Originally Posted by CLT Guy

Nobody really knows for sure. Everyones guess is just that...a guess.

If hiring continues as it is right nowIt won't because eventually the staffing goal will be met., the guys in class today will upgrade in 16-20 months or less. If we get more aircraft (some of the options), it will certainly be less.Actually, even if you include all of the options and ENY 700s, my previous post about upgrades still applies. Also, about half of the new hires are prior 121 guys. They all have applications in at the majors and are being hired. Some guys are getting offers to the majors while they are still in class at PSA and leave. There are more FO's leaving each month right now than captains. That will likely continue.FOs leaving has no effect on upgrades

Here are the facts, however....

PSA is continuing to spend a tremendous amount of money on their training program. They spent hundreds of thousands on a new iPad based system where they students receive all of their materials on iPads. That will go into effect in the next couple of months. There is a new Integrated Procedure Trainer that was just purchased and installed a couple of days ago ($1.3million). They have reserved another sim for the next 18 months - bringing the total to 5.5 sims available for at lest the next year and a half. The training building is being expanded, and dozens of new instructors are being hired and trained. I'm not sure how this is applicable to upgrade times.

There is no way that they would do all of this if they expected the hiring and training to slow down anytime soon.The phrase "hire 'til you fire" comes to mind.

Also, right now, 48 CA's per year are offered class dates at American. The number will be adjusted again when US and AA are operating on the same certificate. This number should be increased to roughly 10% of the current pilot total. That number will increase to somewhere around 100-125 per year. That is a decent amount of movement and will allow for shorter upgrade times.

Originally Posted by boiler07