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Old 03-29-2016 | 05:45 PM
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Old 03-29-2016 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
Copy all, thanks for the candor. I have CJO's from RAH (not sure what to make of the Chpt 11, so just delaying a bit), TSA. Endv interview next week....concerned with commute to the NE though. Seems like every time I think it's worked out something takes a turn for the worse. Looks like the "way it is" in the regionals I guess. Not a very "confidence instilling" industry it would appear.
I would consider a wholly owned for sure. In order to keep this flow ponzi scheme alive, the only entrance to American will be from a wholly owned. They have to protect their regional feed as long as they possibly can.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
Solid, thanks. Sorry to piece mill this, so here's a few at once.

Where is training located? EFB's? Anything else that you wish someone would've told you before you jumped in?

New to 121, not new to flying. Currently in Coastal NC, PSA/CLT makes sense to be able to commute for. Within 35 mins of OAJ,CRE,ILM all with PSA flights to CLT daily it looks like. Really want to start with a company that's "low gain" on the misery that seems to be so wide spread. Any input is welcomed. Just retired from mil, want to keep flying and stay in current locale.
Training: 6 weeks in Dayton, then about 2 Weeks in CLT or CVG. EFB's being delivered to everyone in April for a trial period where we'll have to still have current Jeps for 6 months.
I'm here solely for the CLT base and I commute. In retrospect I still wouldn't trade the shortest regional commute I could ask for at PSA for any better pay/contract incentives. I turned down CJO's to endeavor, compass and Miami Air to be here and it's all worth it so I can take an easy hour and 15 minute commute home.
Your priorities probably aren't the same as mine but I've thought a lot about it, and don't think I'd take a job at spirit, allegiant, or virgin America purely because it'd take longer to get to work and id have less time at home.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
Solid, thanks. Sorry to piece mill this, so here's a few at once.

Where is training located? EFB's? Anything else that you wish someone would've told you before you jumped in?

New to 121, not new to flying. Currently in Coastal NC, PSA/CLT makes sense to be able to commute for. Within 35 mins of OAJ,CRE,ILM all with PSA flights to CLT daily it looks like. Really want to start with a company that's "low gain" on the misery that seems to be so wide spread. Any input is welcomed. Just retired from mil, want to keep flying and stay in current locale.
I work at PSA and this place is most definitely not 'low gain" on the misery. PSA is currently near the bottom of all regionals, granted that could change, but Doug parker from AAG, the man who pulls the strings has basically promised that it won't get any better.

If ease of commute is you're biggest factor than PSA in CLT or Gojet in RDU is probably your best bet.
However New York is a fairly short commute for Endeavor which currently has the best pay and contract rules. For instance( at endeavor) you are allowed to commute to your base during your reserve period instead of being required to be in Dayton at 0500 (PSA) thus having to commute the night before and pay for a hotel.
Endeavor has a 4 hour minimum day regardless if you work 1 minute or 13 hours. PSA has a 3.5 hour min day but only if you start before 1200 and finish after 1700. Meaning if you fly 1 leg on your first or last day, you make about $25 instead of $120
Endeavor has 100% deadhead, PSA has 50%
Endeavor has 150% overtime, and any time requested above 85hrs. PSA has 125% overtime, and manipulates the pairings to keep the credit below min day (speculation, but coincidental) and critical pay is a dream because they manipulate the reserve grid to prevent critical days (fact and currently undergoing arbitration)
Endeavor is projecting a 30 month upgrade, PSA claims quick, but we still have 2 year FOs.
First year pay at Endeavor is 50k
First year pay at PSA about 30k including the bonus

This is just a comparison of the current "best" regional versus the current 2nd to worst, but closing fast, regional.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 06:04 PM
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Training: 6 weeks in Dayton, then about 2 Weeks in CLT or CVG. EFB's being delivered to everyone in April for a trial period where we'll have to still have current Jeps for 6 months.
I'm here solely for the CLT base and I commute. In retrospect I still wouldn't trade the shortest regional commute I could ask for at PSA for any better pay/contract incentives. I turned down CJO's to endeavor, compass and Miami Air to be here and it's all worth it so I can take an easy hour and 15 minute commute home.
Your priorities probably aren't the same as mine but I've thought a lot about it, and don't think I'd take a job at spirit, allegiant, or virgin America purely because it'd take longer to get to work and id have less time at home.
Good insight. I have a little "maneuver space" being retired military, and QOL is a top pri. Trying to keep it in perspective. Tough to do with such a volatile animal that this industry seems to be........
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Old 03-29-2016 | 06:10 PM
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SEP....thanks for the info. Much appreciated!! Tough to sift through the chaff when trying to read about it or talking to a recruiter. My sincerest condolences on current climate, may your turn there be short and upwardly mobile. I really appreciate the honesty.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
Good insight. I have a little "maneuver space" being retired military, and QOL is a top pri. Trying to keep it in perspective. Tough to do with such a volatile animal that this industry seems to be........
Yeah this industry is a constantly changing mess. 2 years ago PSA was the prom queen and endeavor was the f..funny girl, now not so much. Trying to plan more than 2-3 years into the future at a regional is pretty futile, which is why I don't put too much stock in a flow agreement.
My personal opinion is that republic and the contract will survive the BK, but keep in mind we are all just a bunch of barracks lawyers here pretending we know something.

If you're not overly concerned about the money or career progression then PSA may be a good fit. CLT is a hub base for AA so an easy commute and PSA does have good schedule flexibility once you can hold a line.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
SEP....thanks for the info. Much appreciated!! Tough to sift through the chaff when trying to read about it or talking to a recruiter. My sincerest condolences on current climate, may your turn there be short and upwardly mobile. I really appreciate the honesty.
My pleasure. This place is not great, but the clarion in Dayton still beats a tent in the desert. I have a few reasons for being here and I'll stay here as long as those reasons are valid. In the meantime yes management is crap and the climate is crap, but the men and women you're sharing the airplane with have been great so far. Good Luck!
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Old 03-29-2016 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm01
Copy all, thanks for the candor. I have CJO's from RAH (not sure what to make of the Chpt 11, so just delaying a bit), TSA. Endv interview next week....concerned with commute to the NE though. Seems like every time I think it's worked out something takes a turn for the worse. Looks like the "way it is" in the regionals I guess. Not a very "confidence instilling" industry it would appear.
If it were me I would take rah over psa right now.Rah will not shrink ,they are hiring and filling classes like crazy.I know 2people who left psa for them and they wish they would have done it a long time ago.Rah will trim the fat and be leaner and meaner than before.
In addition Rah has a better contract by far now,better,commuter friendly bases ,better pay ,even with the 15 know bonus Psa is offering, quick math tells me Rah is a better option. In addition, you will be flying a much more superior aircraft.
Passengers hate the crjs,all of them.I've been in the back commuting and heard the comments before.Not to mention having 76 people trample over you in the jet way trying to get their valet bags and catch connecting flights.It's a horrible passenger experience. The 175 is just an overall better,passenger friendly aircraft.
Pay at any of the wholly owned will not increase. They are waiting for one of the other regionals to fail and hoping the pilots jump ship to solve their staffing problem. If the wo''s can't staff properly, those planes will be dealt to whoever they think can,end of story.
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Old 03-29-2016 | 07:25 PM
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Seniority list shrunk by 20 in March, including the new hires. The plan to hire 1000 addition pilots is clearly broken.

Bottom of industry pay & work rules = continued contraction, delivery deferral, career stagnation, less schedule flexibility, cancelled vacations, and downgrades.
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