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Old 05-06-2016 | 05:06 AM
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I guess our deal was pretty good seeing how we tripled in size and got pilots to willingly jump over from other regionals. If only there was a regional out there that never took concessions, never furloughed and paid well that we could all work for.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyWago
You sure? If you showed up in class you are basically saying to yourself, sure, I can work with what's there.

Most people don't go into a job thinking, these are some awful workrules and we need a full rewrite of everything and this place sucks because we are getting screwed this way and that way. No. They go thinking I am cool with this and maybe down the road in a good while maybe we can advance even more on what we are currently doing.
I came to PSA for the CLT base (easy commute #1) and for the SAP (qol #2). This year I'll make about $50K as a 2nd year FO. And that's averaging 11-13 days off /month. I didn't sit on reserve for long and I got my base of choice right off of IOE. Now that we have a commuter clause that will pay for hotels starting in July, I'll likely make more because I'm not limiting myself to just commutable trips. The point of all this is, where would I have gone 1.5 years ago that I could be saying all of the same now? The answer, nowhere. I made the best choice I could make given the information before me. And I don't regret anything. This industry sucks. And there are many bitter people stuck in it.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyWago
You sure? If you showed up in class you are basically saying to yourself, sure, I can work with what's there.

Most people don't go into a job thinking, these are some awful workrules and we need a full rewrite of everything and this place sucks because we are getting screwed this way and that way. No. They go thinking I am cool with this and maybe down the road in a good while maybe we can advance even more on what we are currently doing.
I came for the quick upgrade, I'm owning it. Things have worked out for me because I took advantage of opportunities that presented themselves. PSA was THE place to be at the time. Although I could not predict the future, my timing as it turned out was perfect. The landscape today at PSA doesn't look like what it was when I hired on. There's better places for a new hire today. You really only can see maybe a year into the future in this line of work and have to make decisions with that limited data. If you are not meeting realistic milestones in realistic time frames (a very personal goal), then it is probably time to move on if there are better options that get you to your end goal. I'll remind everyone, getting to a legacy if that's your goal just a year earlier probably means an extra half million dollars in total compensation overall at retirement.

PSA pilots may be facing difficult times ahead with the American furloughs coming back. I think 800 have the option, I doubt more than 200 will come back but even so, that's a huge obstacle. Pilots at all three wholly owned carriers need to pay close attention to what's coming in this regard.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyWago
You sure? If you showed up in class you are basically saying to yourself, sure, I can work with what's there.

Most people don't go into a job thinking, these are some awful workrules and we need a full rewrite of everything and this place sucks because we are getting screwed this way and that way. No. They go thinking I am cool with this and maybe down the road in a good while maybe we can advance even more on what we are currently doing.
So, with this reasoning, every person that joined the military after 1968 is responsible for the My Lai massacre? If you own a German made car, you are supporting the Nazi's and the holocaust?

I could give 1000 examples of how stupid your reasoning is.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 06:44 AM
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The holocaust is not still happening.
Your example is not valid.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I came for the quick upgrade, I'm owning it. Things have worked out for me because I took advantage of opportunities that presented themselves. PSA was THE place to be at the time. Although I could not predict the future, my timing as it turned out was perfect. The landscape today at PSA doesn't look like what it was when I hired on. There's better places for a new hire today. You really only can see maybe a year into the future in this line of work and have to make decisions with that limited data. If you are not meeting realistic milestones in realistic time frames (a very personal goal), then it is probably time to move on if there are better options that get you to your end goal. I'll remind everyone, getting to a legacy if that's your goal just a year earlier probably means an extra half million dollars in total compensation overall at retirement.

PSA pilots may be facing difficult times ahead with the American furloughs coming back. I think 800 have the option, I doubt more than 200 will come back but even so, that's a huge obstacle. Pilots at all three wholly owned carriers need to pay close attention to what's coming in this regard.


You upgraded??
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Old 05-06-2016 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
You upgraded??
I've got news, can't share yet.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
So, with this reasoning, every person that joined the military after 1968 is responsible for the My Lai massacre? If you own a German made car, you are supporting the Nazi's and the holocaust?

I could give 1000 examples of how stupid your reasoning is.
I get it, if you picked somewhere based on where you live or a specific reason (like DEC or bonus money or flow) fine. But just going somewhere just because and complaining about how you are being treated was a super poor choice on your part.

But also if you went somewhere and the music stopped that is also on you. Most all new pilots coming to their first regional have had enough time to do enough research to see what everyone's pluses and minuses are before interviewing and starting Indoc.
I see my reasoning as just fine.


BTW (I love my german car and I support/appreciate my german heritage.)
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Old 05-06-2016 | 09:08 AM
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I've got news, can't share yet.
dec at go jet?
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Old 05-06-2016 | 10:21 AM
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I agree that nothing so far has worked. I also agree that increases are needed. I'm just not sold on the idea that they care. I don't think they are delusional into thinking everything is great. I think they are well aware that we're shrinking instead of growing and I just don't think they really care. These nickels and dimes they throw out to "fix" the problem aren't fooling anyone. They have said are staffed to where they want to be and that's why they only need to hire for attrition.
Where have you heard that we are staffed "Where they want to be"? I hear Management at PSA is actively trying to hire as many as they can given the limitations set by AA.
$15K signing bonus and $20K retention bonus are nickels and dimes? True, may not be enough but it's in the millions of $ I'm sure.

I've said it before, AA may be slow to respond but they will respond and not let PSA fail. Way too much invested.
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