Flow to Amer Airlines What the WOs Vs Reality
11-11-2020 | 04:47 AM
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I’ve got friends at UA, AA, DL, UPS, FDX. Yes, I know a lot more at AA than the others but I’ve networked beyond that. I think it’s safe to say most WO pilots know more than just AA pilots.
Flow is great until it’s not. I think it’s important to note a lot of folks got out before the flow to other carriers. Be like those folks, volunteer, continue education, get in the training department, and push to get a new job before the flow, because that flow date can disappear overnight.
Flow is great until it’s not. I think it’s important to note a lot of folks got out before the flow to other carriers. Be like those folks, volunteer, continue education, get in the training department, and push to get a new job before the flow, because that flow date can disappear overnight.
11-11-2020 | 05:18 AM
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I'm not saying no ones goes elsewhere. I'm saying fewer. Far fewer. And that means less internal recs elsewhere. I was taking issue with the notion your chances are the same as someone from a non-WO, not that you can't. I see replies saying "you can still do it"... well yeah, but that doesn't dispute what I'm saying either.
Also I’m at a WO and I know several people at DL and FX and UA. I may not fly with them, but that’s because they left. Networking isn’t just flying with people who are about to move on. There’s a heck of a lot more you can do, just not everyone wants to put forth the effort.
11-11-2020 | 05:26 AM
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The reason there’s so many at AA is because... there’s a flow. That’s the point.
Also I’m at a WO and I know several people at DL and FX and UA. I may not fly with them, but that’s because they left. Networking isn’t just flying with people who are about to move on. There’s a heck of a lot more you can do, just not everyone wants to put forth the effort.
Also I’m at a WO and I know several people at DL and FX and UA. I may not fly with them, but that’s because they left. Networking isn’t just flying with people who are about to move on. There’s a heck of a lot more you can do, just not everyone wants to put forth the effort.
As I said, you can still do it. Your chances are less though. You guys are so blinded by your flow you're not seeing that there is a difference.
11-11-2020 | 06:28 AM
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I valued flow because it helped to keep seniority moving along at a predictable pace. I never had much desire to fly for AA, I always had my sights set on the LCC's.
Yeah you'll never make mainline money, but the quality of life is some of the best in the industry.
Yeah you'll never make mainline money, but the quality of life is some of the best in the industry.
11-11-2020 | 06:32 AM
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The devil is always in the details......
11-11-2020 | 06:41 AM
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Seniority was moving at every Regional. Did not need flow for that, almost everywhere in 2019 you could upgrade as soon as you met the mins. Going back to my original post, the negative of flow is having to accept lower pay and QOL at most WOs because of it. Management was just not willing to make big contract gains because they considered Flow a big part of your compensation. Unfortunately you are paying for that compromise now.
11-11-2020 | 06:59 AM
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Seniority was moving at every Regional. Did not need flow for that, almost everywhere in 2019 you could upgrade as soon as you met the mins. Going back to my original post, the negative of flow is having to accept lower pay and QOL at most WOs because of it. Management was just not willing to make big contract gains because they considered Flow a big part of your compensation. Unfortunately you are paying for that compromise now.
Who the hell cares... why are you so negative? Sounds like maybe you got turned away from the WO’s. Not everyone goes to regionals for 16 days off a month to fly a shiny E175.
11-11-2020 | 07:17 AM
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Seniority was moving at every Regional. Did not need flow for that, almost everywhere in 2019 you could upgrade as soon as you met the mins. Going back to my original post, the negative of flow is having to accept lower pay and QOL at most WOs because of it. Management was just not willing to make big contract gains because they considered Flow a big part of your compensation. Unfortunately you are paying for that compromise now.
Hindsight is always 20-20, but if I could predict the future I'd just win the lottery hahaha.
11-11-2020 | 07:20 AM
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The nice thing about the flow seniority movement is that it is reliably at the very top and there’s a continuous draw of people who might otherwise be lifers
that’s different from how seniority movement works at other places. Minor difference but real
that’s different from how seniority movement works at other places. Minor difference but real
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