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Old 10-06-2021 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerosilver84
Well rumor has it both AA and DAL might increase flow numbers at their WO.
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Old 10-06-2021 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by eligible2flow
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AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month
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Old 10-06-2021 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjeff
AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month
No, there is talk about actual flow increases. ALPA has supposedly received initial info from AA, but there are strings attached (as you would expect). Looks like 4-12 more per month, depending on the WO. (PDT getting 4 more, Envoy getting 12 more). Not dependent on attrition, but a real flow increase.
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Old 10-06-2021 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
No, there is talk about actual flow increases. ALPA has supposedly received initial info from AA, but there are strings attached (as you would expect). Looks like 4-12 more per month, depending on the WO. (PDT getting 4 more, Envoy getting 12 more). Not dependent on attrition, but a real flow increase.
Well for the first time ever I actually believe it since they did it with stipulations. I think retention would be better in Piedmont’s case if they just went to 10 a month from 6. If I was 2 years out that would more likely keep me around cutting it to 14 months more than $30,000
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Old 10-06-2021 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tjeff
AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month
The attrition numbers are totally unrealistic so it was effectively a no flow increase.

They will have to increase the numbers, they have a huge retention issue and they need to fix it asap. Increasing flow would be an easy way to do it, and I hope they will.
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Old 10-06-2021 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
, they have a huge retention issue and they need to fix it asap. Increasing flow would be an easy way to do it.
I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes
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Old 10-07-2021 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes
The house of cards is imploding with outside attrition now. Maybe some suit at AA figured it out and is thinking to get as many on property before end game does occur. Otherwise the competition gets even more of “their” pilots.
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Old 10-07-2021 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes
A lot of people from my personal experience really want to work for AA a huge reason is hub locations, PHL, CLT and MIA. I think it would stop a few know they can get to their number 1 faster. Call them whatever for turning down United to wait 1.5 years to flow but maybe they live in CLT and don’t want to commute for 30 years.
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Old 10-07-2021 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tjeff
A lot of people from my personal experience really want to work for AA a huge reason is hub locations, PHL, CLT and MIA. I think it would stop a few know they can get to their number 1 faster. Call them whatever for turning down United to wait 1.5 years to flow but maybe they live in CLT and don’t want to commute for 30 years.
I have talked to several that are leaving and their plan is to get on with UAL/FedEx and then get hired faster at AA. And if they don't get hired on at AA, they are in a far better place than they were at PSA.

There have been many that have done this in the past.
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Old 10-07-2021 | 06:03 AM
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The “some people want to flow” argument isn’t wrong but it’s irrelevant. The WO’s are near an unsustainable tipping point. It’s like saying half your red blood cells want to stay but the other half are going on the floor. You can only lose so many
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