Comair updates?
11-22-2008 | 03:59 PM
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I'm not going to take credit for it. I heard it in the crew room and thought it was funny.
11-22-2008 | 04:18 PM
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From: Guppy
Guys, just a thought but you really shouldn't discuss or mention a "sickout" or "putting harassing notes in people's v-files who pick up open time" on this forum - even if you didn't mean it. I say this because we at UAL just had some of the threads and messages from a password protected forum used against us in court...and we lost (company won and is seeking a permanent injuction!)! I'd hate to see any of you guys taken hostage just like those before the Comair strike and those pilots at UAL who were sued. Please be careful!
11-22-2008 | 04:53 PM
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From: blueJet
A little trip down memory lane...
Comair Pilots To Begin Voting On Contract Proposal -ALPA
Copyright © 2005, Dow Jones Newswires
CINCINNATI (AP)--Comair pilots are to begin voting this weekend on a new contract proposal that union officials have said will include a pay freeze and unspecified contract improvements.
The Air Line Pilots Association represents about 1,800 Comair pilots. It declined Friday to release any details of the proposal until after members got a chance to see it on Saturday.
Voting is to begin by telephone and the Internet Sunday and run through March 1, union spokesman Brian Moynihan said.
The outcome is key for Comair, whose pilots are among the highest-paid among regional airlines. Pilots make between $23,000 and $109,000. Flight attendants make $20,000 to $40,000.
Comair president Fred Buttrell, who took over Comair on Jan. 17, wants the 6,000-employee airline to improve its reliability and customer service after a computer system failure forced the airline to cancel all Christmas Day flights, stranding thousands of passengers.
The company wants its 1,050 flight attendants to accept a pay freeze so the airline can buy up to 35 new jets to compete for more business. The flight attendants' union said it needs more information before it can take a proposal to its members for a vote.
Earlier this week, Comair's nearly 400 unionized mechanics rejected a five-year contract proposal. Union and Comair officials said they would arrange another round of meetings soon.
Comair is based at Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky International Airport. The airline carries about 30,000 passengers daily to 119 cities in the U.S., mostly east of the Mississippi River, and Canada and the Bahamas.
Delta: Did we say "buy up to 35 aircraft"? Sorry, we meant to say "park 52 aircraft". But thanks for voting 63% to 37% in favor of pay cuts. Here's some more new CEOs instead.
I like the 1800 pilot figure. Those sure were good times. Back then Delta would let you vote on your future. Of course, you were scrood either way you voted.
Comair Pilots To Begin Voting On Contract Proposal -ALPA
Copyright © 2005, Dow Jones Newswires
CINCINNATI (AP)--Comair pilots are to begin voting this weekend on a new contract proposal that union officials have said will include a pay freeze and unspecified contract improvements.
The Air Line Pilots Association represents about 1,800 Comair pilots. It declined Friday to release any details of the proposal until after members got a chance to see it on Saturday.
Voting is to begin by telephone and the Internet Sunday and run through March 1, union spokesman Brian Moynihan said.
The outcome is key for Comair, whose pilots are among the highest-paid among regional airlines. Pilots make between $23,000 and $109,000. Flight attendants make $20,000 to $40,000.
Comair president Fred Buttrell, who took over Comair on Jan. 17, wants the 6,000-employee airline to improve its reliability and customer service after a computer system failure forced the airline to cancel all Christmas Day flights, stranding thousands of passengers.
The company wants its 1,050 flight attendants to accept a pay freeze so the airline can buy up to 35 new jets to compete for more business. The flight attendants' union said it needs more information before it can take a proposal to its members for a vote.
Earlier this week, Comair's nearly 400 unionized mechanics rejected a five-year contract proposal. Union and Comair officials said they would arrange another round of meetings soon.
Comair is based at Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky International Airport. The airline carries about 30,000 passengers daily to 119 cities in the U.S., mostly east of the Mississippi River, and Canada and the Bahamas.
Delta: Did we say "buy up to 35 aircraft"? Sorry, we meant to say "park 52 aircraft". But thanks for voting 63% to 37% in favor of pay cuts. Here's some more new CEOs instead.
I like the 1800 pilot figure. Those sure were good times. Back then Delta would let you vote on your future. Of course, you were scrood either way you voted.
11-22-2008 | 05:39 PM
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From: blueJet
Here's another little trip down memory lane, this time from the bankrupty Judge's decision in Comair vs. ALPA:
PS - the judge threw out our contract so Comair can survive, and even thrive. Boy did he get played...
Here's a link to the judge's decision:
http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/opinion...64_opinion.pdf
Comair’s expert witness Daniel Kasper provided a comprehensive analysis of the competition and prices in the legacy and regional airline industries since 9/11. The following excerpts from the summary conclusions in his direct testimony are of particular importance here:
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• . . . Given its own severe financial problems, Delta cannot afford to pay above-market rates to any of its major suppliers, including those providing regional air services. Unless Comair is able to provide regional capacity to Delta at more competitive, market-based rates, Delta will find it necessary to shift regional flying away from Comair and could be forced to terminate its longstanding relationship with Comair.
• . . . In a nutshell, Comair has no realistic alternative but to reduce its costs if it hopes to survive.
• In sum, without significant cost reductions–including substantial labor cost savings from its pilots–Comair is unlikely to survive the dramatic changes transforming the airline industry. But if Comair can achieve its targeted cost savings, the Company should be able to retain–and possibly expand–its contract flying for Delta and potentially other airlines, as well.
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• . . . Given its own severe financial problems, Delta cannot afford to pay above-market rates to any of its major suppliers, including those providing regional air services. Unless Comair is able to provide regional capacity to Delta at more competitive, market-based rates, Delta will find it necessary to shift regional flying away from Comair and could be forced to terminate its longstanding relationship with Comair.
• . . . In a nutshell, Comair has no realistic alternative but to reduce its costs if it hopes to survive.
• In sum, without significant cost reductions–including substantial labor cost savings from its pilots–Comair is unlikely to survive the dramatic changes transforming the airline industry. But if Comair can achieve its targeted cost savings, the Company should be able to retain–and possibly expand–its contract flying for Delta and potentially other airlines, as well.
PS - the judge threw out our contract so Comair can survive, and even thrive. Boy did he get played...
Here's a link to the judge's decision:
http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/opinion...64_opinion.pdf
11-22-2008 | 05:45 PM
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11-22-2008 | 06:01 PM
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From: blueJet
Shawn Anderson, Delta’s Vice President of Delta Connection, gave this testimony in his November 1, 2006 trial Declaration:
Moreover, Delta may place into service additional large 70-seat regional jets–and even larger RJs with up to 76 seats. Delta would have to consider placing these new aircraft at Comair’s competitors and “grow” the competitors instead of placing such valuable assets at Comair where they would produce less profit.
. . . If Comair does not obtain the labor cost reductions it seeks, then its cost structure will not be competitive with the other Delta Connection carriers. In this industry, and at this time, having an uncompetitive cost structure will mean that Comair will have no opportunity for growth, and, indeed, will mean that Comair cannot survive as a viable regional airline. Simply put, unless Comair can reduce its controllable costs to competitive levels, it does not make business sense to continue Comair flying for Delta.
. . . If Comair can restructure itself so that its controllable costs are competitive, Delta should be able to increase, rather than decrease, the flying it contracts to Comair. This would mean that Comair would have an opportunity to grow, rather than shrink. With growth would come new job opportunities, and reduced unit costs, as more junior employees are added, and reduced unit overhead costs as the same facilities and overhead could be used to perform more flying.
. . . I am familiar with Comair’s restructuring plans, including its plan to reduce its controllable costs–both labor and non-labor. If Comair is able to restructure in accordance with its restructuring plans, I believe that Comair will be able to perform Delta Connection flying at a competitive price. Accordingly, I believe that the labor cost reductions in Comair’s business plan are necessary–indeed, essential–to Comair’s successful restructuring.
They got the cuts they asked for. Where's Comair's growth?
11-22-2008 | 06:12 PM
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From: NOYDB
Does anyone have a copy of the that side letter agreement for fleet size? See this is the **** that the MEC needs to be fighting for! Scew fighting Emonstro, which 95% chance won't be around when we go under the holding company, or the flex line values. With a democratic administration coming in and they'll be appointing two members to the NMB, I'd start fighting to get what was promised to us by Delta. Of course they'll back pedal and use the economy as a reason for the reductions.
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11-22-2008 | 06:14 PM
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From: blueJet
Forget the "No Soap" stickers. I want this on a bag sticker:
Shawn Anderson, Delta’s Vice President of Delta Connection,
gave this testimony in his November 1, 2006 trial Declaration:
"If Comair is able to restructure in accordance with its restructuring plans,
I believe that Comair will be able to perform Delta Connection flying at a competitive price."
Next time Delta sends us a new CEO with the line "You guys aren't competitive" I'll run my bag over his face and he can get a good look at his boss's sworn testimony that we are, indeed, competitive.
Shawn Anderson, Delta’s Vice President of Delta Connection,
gave this testimony in his November 1, 2006 trial Declaration:
"If Comair is able to restructure in accordance with its restructuring plans,
I believe that Comair will be able to perform Delta Connection flying at a competitive price."
Next time Delta sends us a new CEO with the line "You guys aren't competitive" I'll run my bag over his face and he can get a good look at his boss's sworn testimony that we are, indeed, competitive.
11-22-2008 | 06:44 PM
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From: blueJet
Here's testimony from the current Vice President of DCI, back when he was our own fearless leader, UncaDon:
Comair’s President, Don Bornhorst, testified persuasively concerning Comair’s uncompetitive cost structure. Under the heading “Comair Has Run Out Of Time To Restructure,” he said:
Keep in mind UncaDon was under oath, and now he's the guy awarding Comair planes to other DCI carriers because we're "uncompetitive".
Note the judge's own words..."testified persuasively". UncaDon's testimony was clearly a driving force in the pilot contract being thrown out.
Also note his clever use of the word "unless". Meaning, these bad things will happen to Comair unless the pilots take cuts. The judge listened, and made the pilots take cuts. Now these bad things are happening to Comair anyway, and what's worse, UncaDon is the one doing them.
Does anyone think this guy should be in prison? Or at least impeached for felony perjury?
Comair’s President, Don Bornhorst, testified persuasively concerning Comair’s uncompetitive cost structure. Under the heading “Comair Has Run Out Of Time To Restructure,” he said:
...Unless Comair achieves the pilot labor reductions contained in Comair’s Section 1113 Proposal, Comair will (I) remain uncompetitive; (ii) be unable to compete effectively for new flying opportunities with Delta or other mainline carriers; and (iii) be at risk of losing its entire 70-seat regional jet fleet and a portion of its 50-seat regional jet fleet to competitors who can provide the same flying at lower cost to Delta.
Keep in mind UncaDon was under oath, and now he's the guy awarding Comair planes to other DCI carriers because we're "uncompetitive".
Note the judge's own words..."testified persuasively". UncaDon's testimony was clearly a driving force in the pilot contract being thrown out.
Also note his clever use of the word "unless". Meaning, these bad things will happen to Comair unless the pilots take cuts. The judge listened, and made the pilots take cuts. Now these bad things are happening to Comair anyway, and what's worse, UncaDon is the one doing them.
Does anyone think this guy should be in prison? Or at least impeached for felony perjury?
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