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Old 11-27-2008 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by evilboy
Yesterday, the furlough chair sent an email to all furloughs asking if they have applied and what the results have been. There is some sort of communication between MECs regarding the so called pref-hiring. From personnal experience I can tell you this, there is no preferential hiring at all. That's hogwash. At least from their HR Dept is concerned.
I agree. I tried and got the more qualified apps rejection letter. Mesaba is the same company that has been turning down people with 1000's of hours in type and giving them the exact same more qualified letter too.

They are a bit funny about thier hiring practices.
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Old 11-27-2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
What's your point? you asked how the company could avoid some if not all of the those costs and I gave a few suggestions. Ergo the company isn't putting costs as its #1 priority.
Sorry, I will spell it out - but keep in mind my original post was a question directed at someone else. I am assuming that offering voluntary furloughs, etc. is out of the companies control because alpa will not negotiate. I am assuming that for the obvious reason - the company was willing to negotiate with IBT. Maybe because IBT does not have a personal vendetta against DS?

You think this ALPA group is reasonable? I don't. I see them dropping an ASAP program for no good reason other than to try to make mgmt look bad. Talk to some of the old union safety guys - find MS and see if he thinks that was the right thing to do. That's why I think alpa has some blame here - if IBT could do it, why not them?

I assume we accept that the company is not allowed to do these things without alpa (a contract), right? So if alpa won't sit down and negotiate for them, how can the company do these things? They can't. That is my point. Therefore, I reject this idea that this particular instance proves the company is not interested in saving costs.
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Old 11-27-2008 | 01:06 PM
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I wouldn't place too much stock in what ALPA can or can't do in regards to negotiating. Quite honestly I don't believe it would matter either way. While the "mexican standoff" does seem childish we know that 1) Comair management absolutely does NOT stand up to Delta's unraveling of our airline and our crewmembers QOL, but rather just cowers under threat of job security and 2) our pilot group voted once for a pay freeze (no joy on growth) and TWICE for paycuts (no joy there either). If you want to credit the IBT for something I say kudos to them for giving our management the middle finger which lead to the final TA 03-2007.

When I look at Comair, its management and the labor groups the Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind. We're all hostages in this game but at the end of the day we sympathize with our captors as we start fighting with each other. Perhaps it's time for us to pool together and give our captors a kick in the nuts.
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Old 11-27-2008 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
Well, looks like you'll be able to come back to CVG in January, sucks you have to go back to the right seat, though. But I think it is still better than reserve in JFK.
The glass is half full...
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Old 11-27-2008 | 09:49 PM
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Are they still doing construction in employee parking at CVG?
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Old 11-28-2008 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Spad
Are they still doing construction in employee parking at CVG?
no it is finished, what a waste of money because soon it will be empty.
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Old 11-28-2008 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Sorry, I will spell it out - but keep in mind my original post was a question directed at someone else. I am assuming that offering voluntary furloughs, etc. is out of the companies control because alpa will not negotiate. I am assuming that for the obvious reason - the company was willing to negotiate with IBT. Maybe because IBT does not have a personal vendetta against DS?

You think this ALPA group is reasonable? I don't. I see them dropping an ASAP program for no good reason other than to try to make mgmt look bad. Talk to some of the old union safety guys - find MS and see if he thinks that was the right thing to do. That's why I think alpa has some blame here - if IBT could do it, why not them?

I assume we accept that the company is not allowed to do these things without alpa (a contract), right? So if alpa won't sit down and negotiate for them, how can the company do these things? They can't. That is my point. Therefore, I reject this idea that this particular instance proves the company is not interested in saving costs.

Too often we aren't told the entire story. I know the IBT was able to get their concessions, so I have no idea why we can't. But I also know the company hasn't rolled out maestro to the FA's yet. And lately the company's motto has been do and grieve it.

And I don't think its a matter of the company not interested in cost savings. Rather they are looking short term and are not doing things to set up long term cost reductions. I'm holding out a little hope the our new President will be able to break through both walls.

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

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Old 11-28-2008 | 06:01 AM
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Cola's should be out today, however a change in the hours of flying may affect deadhead status, which in turn may affect some of the cola's. This is mainly on the FO side though. If they are not out by late afternoon, there may be a reduction of the cola awards. I am speaking of this latest cola in January not in general.
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Old 11-28-2008 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pantera
no it is finished, what a waste of money because soon it will be empty.
Wow they finally finished the whole parking lot. I guess the gate are closed and any furloughed guys who left their cars in there are going to have problems gettig them out
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Old 11-28-2008 | 09:28 AM
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There should be a non-emergency police number on the booths I think, call that, explain the situation. That you were a furloughed pilot, and they will let you out. Otherwise if the chief pilot's office is open call them and they will point you in the right direction.
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