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Old 01-28-2010 | 05:07 AM
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I have a question for the people who know a little more about the Delta scope clause than I do.

I just heard about the interior mod that is going on and the first thought that popped into my head was that Delta is trying to get around that pesky scope language in the pilot contract. The way I understand it, Delta is already over the max number of 70+ seat aircraft. This mod gets the plane under 70 and would thus get around the language, wouldn't it? Could this be what they are doing?
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Old 01-28-2010 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
I have a question for the people who know a little more about the Delta scope clause than I do.

I just heard about the interior mod that is going on and the first thought that popped into my head was that Delta is trying to get around that pesky scope language in the pilot contract. The way I understand it, Delta is already over the max number of 70+ seat aircraft. This mod gets the plane under 70 and would thus get around the language, wouldn't it? Could this be what they are doing?
DALPA's Scope is for certificated seats not installed seats. There are also certain weight restrictions like for the EMB-175's(except Compass). The -700's are certificated at 70 seats. Actually there is room for more 70 seat a/c. Only the 76 seat a/c are maxed out.
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Old 01-28-2010 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by H46Bubba
DALPA's Scope is for certificated seats not installed seats. There are also certain weight restrictions like for the EMB-175's(except Compass). The -700's are certificated at 70 seats. Actually there is room for more 70 seat a/c. Only the 76 seat a/c are maxed out.
Thank you for the quick answer. This is definitely one occasion that I am very happy that I was wrong.
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Old 01-28-2010 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by H46Bubba
DALPA's Scope is for certificated seats not installed seats. There are also certain weight restrictions like for the EMB-175's(except Compass). The -700's are certificated at 70 seats. Actually there is room for more 70 seat a/c. Only the 76 seat a/c are maxed out.
Thanks for the info Bubba. I too was under the impression that regionals had removed seats in the past to get around SCOPE. Now I'm curious how a certificated seat number for a specific aircraft is handled when the airline wants to do a mod like this, or High Density, etc.? Does the FAA have to amend the certification? ("Wild, whacky, nutty stuff")
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Old 01-28-2010 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
I will be waiting for the Obama recall letter. The Obama checks are about to run out in a few weeks

Aghhh I know what you mean. In a few weeks I'm going to be laid off from Kentucky Unemployment. Not looking foward to that day. Out of all the people that are on here and still on furlough, how many of you have still not flown since being laid off? I've flown maybe 5 hours in 14 months. Depressing!
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Old 01-28-2010 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NoStep
Thanks for the info Bubba. I too was under the impression that regionals had removed seats in the past to get around SCOPE. Now I'm curious how a certificated seat number for a specific aircraft is handled when the airline wants to do a mod like this, or High Density, etc.? Does the FAA have to amend the certification? ("Wild, whacky, nutty stuff")
The a/c stays as certified. There are some engineering things that need to be done when you change seating congiguration. The aircraft also need a new weight and balance done.
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Old 01-28-2010 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 20kDoLlOrPilot
Aghhh I know what you mean. In a few weeks I'm going to be laid off from Kentucky Unemployment. Not looking foward to that day. Out of all the people that are on here and still on furlough, how many of you have still not flown since being laid off? I've flown maybe 5 hours in 14 months. Depressing!
I'm about to be laid off from UI as well... I've managed about 20 hours since furlough by riding along with a buddy working on getting cross country for his commercial certificate.... nothing substantial though..
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Old 01-28-2010 | 12:31 PM
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Don't lose hope guys. I flew all of 1 hour in 2009 before getting picked up by Cape, so there are still some reasonable people out there that understand there are a lot of furloughs right now.
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Old 01-28-2010 | 03:51 PM
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Since furlough (January), I flew roughly 20-25 hours, which was a combination of General Aviation flying for currency and fun, ferry a plane or two and getting my ATP. Since furlough I’ve interviewed with Lynx, Ameriflight, Pt. 91 corporate job, SeaPort Airlines and Compass Airlines. Got turned down by Lynx, AMF and Compass. SeaPort I turned down because of the low pay and the Pt. 91 corporate job, which I was going to get, fell through because the owner ended up not getting the airplane. I’m frustrated as can be, but I’m getting pretty good at interviewing for jobs, but it would be nice if one would come with a job offer one of these days before unemployment runs out.

Boy, getting recalled by Comair is starting to look better every day...
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Old 01-28-2010 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver

Boy, getting recalled by Comair is starting to look better every day...
Never thought I would hear that from you CRJ.
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