They'll get 22 easily.

 

Since the company is taking all recalls that accept the offer..even if the number that accepts is over the 22 they want..we should have coordinated with all the furloughees to say no when they received the "water testing" phone call.

So Comair calls down the list, and all the pilots say no. So they have no choice but to give letters to every single involuntary out there..and then we all say ok

Win!

Then Comair finally goes out of business and we're all put out of our misery.

 

That last sentence may be what Delta has in mind. IMO not if, but when and timing.

 

Keep your head up! KY unemployment from what I understand is pretty good, up to $418.00 wkly. This may be the time to investigate a back up plan. This will turn around, but when you see more folks defaulting on thier mortgage, I get concerned.Is the economy really turning around? If folks are losing thier homes, methinks flying is not on thier "to do" list.

 

I do not work at Comair but at the other wholly owned place. Who starts these rumors? I have been told a similar thing with an announcement expected by the end of the year. Personally I think Delta will shed all in-house regional flying. They just want to make money on the international and long haul domestic stuff. I hope I am wrong but I think the wholly owned are done for. One way to lower costs is just get rid of all your costs.

 

Thanks for the response. I guess my original question still stands though. Which of the furloughees or non-furloughees were asked about reduced lines for mitigating furloughs? I went to the union meetings held just prior to my furlough and the issue of reduced lines for mitigation purposes was brought up during the meetings. The reason stated for rejecting the company proposal of reduced lines was loss of income to line holders. There was no mention of it being an issue with not getting extra days off. Even if that was the issue, I don't see why anyone needs more time off due to a lessened line value. The idea was to mitigate furloughs and if that means lessened quality of life for a while for the pilots then so be it. What about the 300 + that got a severe quality of life lessening? When guys are losing their jobs anything less than full disclosure is unacceptable.

There's not a lot of transparency between the union reps, management and union members. If that was the reason for rejecting the company's proposal for mitigation it wasn't disclosed and should have been. I personally don't find it to be a good enough reason, but I don't have the power to decide that. It should be a collective decision of our members. I think the union members (past and present) should definitely be questioning what's going on a little more and require some accountability.

I'm furloughed and have no intentions of returning. I'd like to keep my flight benefits though, so I have a vested interest in what the union is/isn't doing. I think we've reached the point of no return with regard to bypass options since we've already recalled involuntary furloughees that didn't get a bypass option. This needed to be addressed and resolved before the first pilot left the property vs. before the first pilot returned. It doesn't complicate recalls that much so I'm certain there's more to the story that's not being disclosed.

 

Don't see it happening..even if they only weed it down to one airline. DL has more contractual and operational control over the wholly owned. We cancel when they want us to cancel and don't have any contractual issues to deal with. Wholly owned are flexible and can be shrunk or expanded to meet capacity needs. The stockholders want wholly owned and aren't happy being stuck with SkyWest/ASA's generous and prolonged contract or subsidising RAH's new mainline aircraft that are now and will be in competion with DL. The fee's we're paid just go right back into Delta's cophers, so other than payroll, leases, and other bills they're really not loosing money as they are with the contract carriers.

Man..these managment classes are rotting my brain!

 

Nice...Hiding behind a certain organization? Don't want to work? ***? The only organization I'm hiding behind is my current job which I signed a contract for. I can get out with a 30 day notice but I'm a man and feel morally and professionally obligated to fulfill my obligation to my present employer. BTW, if I didn't wanna work, I'd still be collecting my Obama check and sitting out by my pool...I'm awaken every morning by the you know what call to prayer from a loudspeaker, I get dirty looks because of my skin color and I wouldn't be allowed here with an Israeli stamp in my passport. I haven't seen my family in 4 months or had a cold beer either...What I want is what every other airline has, recall rights.
And hey Davispm, thanks for wishing my termination from Comair. I'm kinda thinking you're either the company CP or the other guy that everyone likes. Wishing a fellow pilot gets fired...POS...And hey genius, if we had recall rights and I bypassed, you'd still move up as I wouldn't be accruing seniority so my choosing to bypass would have positive recourse for you. But you'd rather I got fired. I heard that pilots were their own worst enemy but you totally confirmed this. Good luck.

 

Drinking??

 

LOL, no...7 hour time difference and a certain someone irritated me.