Envoy was never offered 150 E175s.

 

Like how aag needs envoy so much? So much that they told them to pound sand?

 

Yes we were. The first 60 E-175s purchased from the manufacturer plus the next 90 options. 60+90=150. Per the TA those 90 options would have been for Envoy only..thus they are included in the numbers. It was black and white.

I don't believe you work for Envoy so it's ok that you were unclear on the details of our offer.

 

With the plane's RAH, Mesa, PSAs 700s in addition to AEs there's no way that would have occurred and have ML scope honored. Hey but then again ask PSA what happened in 2006 when they turned 900s down?

You were offered 60.... That's the number. Thus the 20 to Compass and remaining 40 to be placed.

Quickly without counting Compass or PSAs AA has nearly 200 70+ seat RJs.... The cap is 300 roughly via the narrow body percentage. The math just doesn't add up to 150.

 

There are still 90 options no matter how you slice and dice it. They would have been for Envoy per the TA. Fact, not opinion.

Get over it already. Don't you work for PSA?

 

Management tactic, there was also piedmont. Now they have to do their part.

 

He did, then went to the one legacy no one really wanted to work for and got lucky when they merged with AA.

 

A lot of us did. Truth is it was the only place that would hire regular line pilots. Hell, the AA application had a check box for astronaut time.

That being the case, the interview pass rate was still pretty low. The number I heard, in one particular month, was 20 hires with 64 interviews.

Even had the east/west stayed separate, 80% of the east guys were to retire in <8 years.

If the lists merged, you're getting a raise with the new contract. Win/win.

Airways was a gamble but it was a calculated one. In a couple years, the 3rd list pilots would've made a sizeable group and the union would've been overtaken with them, and things would've moved on. The company was consistently one of the few making money, posting higher margins than all the other network carriers.

IMO, we were lucky either way, but in the end we won the lottery. If it doesn't/didn't work out, who cares, at least we got the regional stank off of us !

It's all luck and timing. "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."

 

Personally I would have gone to airways, it's better to be somewhere that makes their own flying. Not to mention the merger acquisition potential. That being said the few times I jumpsat on airways the pilots were by far the most miserable of the majors. I know a few captains at eagle who turned down offers at airways, I'd imagine they're kicking themselves now.

 

Yes, guys did turn it down. There was a guy at my (former) company who lived in DFW and wanted AA, and was hired by Airways and turned it down. He's not former mil so very little chance of him getting a call by AA who is now doing all the hiring.

Keep in mind the "former" Airways guys are miserable. How could they not be? They've been thru two bankruptcies and had their pay slashed about 50% and had their pension stolen. Guys spent a decade if not more on short call reserve (in contrast I spent a month). In order to keep the Nic award at bay they operated under an atrocious contract for almost a decade.

That being said I haven't paid for a beverage or meal on an overnight yet. On OE even the F/As paid my way. Personally I think the pilot group here is tits and would not want to be anywhere else.