Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba TA Countdown
11-13-2010 | 05:19 AM
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In the new email received by our MEC, it seems they are finally admitting that the Nov 15 deadline was a "bit" optimistic. Welcome the Pinnacle Airlines Mesaba Crews...."Simply The Best"...I was reading the last quarterly report from Corp...they seem ready to go ahead and move on without SLI. Thoughts???
Know that anybody hired here before the 900's isn't losing any sleep about missing the 15th deadline. Of course we'd like to have it done but most of us senior people thought the 15th deadline was optimistic at best.
I admit I don't know what happens if the 15th pass without a contract and Phil tries to move people and planes around. Nothing I can think of is legal. However there is time.
Planes can't just start coming. There are conformity checks to make sure they have the Pinnacle standard equipment. They can't do all these planes overnight.
The pilots can't just go over because we'd de-qual cause we don't know Pinnacle procedures. Sending 600 guys to ground school would cripple the company. The best way to handle this is with a contract, SLI, agreed to FOM / POM changes that allow for a seamless transition.
A quick change from Mesaba to Pinnacle would be VERY expensive. I suspect things will stay the same and a new deadline will be made. Now is it possible for the contract to be completed by the 15th? YES. Everyone will just have to take a breath and be reasonable.
Of course I'm prejudice. I think the pilots are being reasonable (I have less possible gains than Colgan and Pinnacle). Uncle Phil can make it go on the 15th - I am just waiting patiently.
11-13-2010 | 11:48 AM
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From: Up Front
In the new email received by our MEC, it seems they are finally admitting that the Nov 15 deadline was a "bit" optimistic. Welcome the Pinnacle Airlines Mesaba Crews...."Simply The Best"...I was reading the last quarterly report from Corp...they seem ready to go ahead and move on without SLI. Thoughts???
This from XJ's contract:
E. Merger Protections
1. In the event of any merger of the Company with another airline, acquisition of the Company by another airline, or acquisition by the Company of another airline, which affects the seniority rights of pilots on the Mesaba Airlines Pilots'
Seniority List, provisions will be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the pilot groups affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be resolved in accordance with Section 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protection Provisions, except that the integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall be governed by the Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot groups are represented by the Association.
2. Single Collective Bargaining Agreement Where Applicable
a. Upon announcement of any transaction which is intended to result in the consolidation of the Company with another airline, the Company and the Association will promptly enter into negotiations for an appropriate interim fence agreement, if necessary, pending completion of the combined collective bargaining agreement and an integrated seniority list. Pending completion of the combined collective bargaining agreement and an integrated seniority list, but for not longer than twelve (12) months from the closing of the transaction, (i) the aircraft (including all orders and options to purchase aircraft) and operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separate and shall not be transferred between the pre-transaction airlines, and (ii) there shall be no furlough of pilots.
1. In the event of any merger of the Company with another airline, acquisition of the Company by another airline, or acquisition by the Company of another airline, which affects the seniority rights of pilots on the Mesaba Airlines Pilots'
Seniority List, provisions will be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the pilot groups affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be resolved in accordance with Section 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protection Provisions, except that the integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall be governed by the Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot groups are represented by the Association.
2. Single Collective Bargaining Agreement Where Applicable
a. Upon announcement of any transaction which is intended to result in the consolidation of the Company with another airline, the Company and the Association will promptly enter into negotiations for an appropriate interim fence agreement, if necessary, pending completion of the combined collective bargaining agreement and an integrated seniority list. Pending completion of the combined collective bargaining agreement and an integrated seniority list, but for not longer than twelve (12) months from the closing of the transaction, (i) the aircraft (including all orders and options to purchase aircraft) and operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separate and shall not be transferred between the pre-transaction airlines, and (ii) there shall be no furlough of pilots.
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11-13-2010 | 05:20 PM
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Pinnacle management has shown a complete disregard for anything that is written on paper.
Someone said they couldn't move planes back and forth yet because of the differences in operations.....but didn't Pinnacle wet lease a couple of CRJ 200's to XJ just a few months ago? Didn't seem to make a difference then. And the 9E contract didn't prohibit anything like this..
I see 9E management continuing the shell game negiotations and doing what they want to.
They've been doing that for years.
Someone said they couldn't move planes back and forth yet because of the differences in operations.....but didn't Pinnacle wet lease a couple of CRJ 200's to XJ just a few months ago? Didn't seem to make a difference then. And the 9E contract didn't prohibit anything like this..
I see 9E management continuing the shell game negiotations and doing what they want to.
They've been doing that for years.
11-13-2010 | 06:05 PM
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Pinnacle management has shown a complete disregard for anything that is written on paper.
Someone said they couldn't move planes back and forth yet because of the differences in operations.....but didn't Pinnacle wet lease a couple of CRJ 200's to XJ just a few months ago? Didn't seem to make a difference then. And the 9E contract didn't prohibit anything like this..
I see 9E management continuing the shell game negiotations and doing what they want to.
They've been doing that for years.
Someone said they couldn't move planes back and forth yet because of the differences in operations.....but didn't Pinnacle wet lease a couple of CRJ 200's to XJ just a few months ago? Didn't seem to make a difference then. And the 9E contract didn't prohibit anything like this..
I see 9E management continuing the shell game negiotations and doing what they want to.
They've been doing that for years.
Read 1.B.1. The company is within their rights to (a) transfer aircraft away, and (b) release flying from PCL to another carrier. If the flights will be "operated by MSA" it will no longer be "our" flying.
Read 1.B.2. The company may outsource flying for up to 9 months so long as (a) the MEC is notified, and (b) no one is furloughed during said time.
These are valid so long as 1.B.4 is complied with. Since the aircraft has a scheduled return date, there is no violation here. And the aircraft came back to 9E as planned.
11-15-2010 | 01:31 AM
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I suspect if things don't get settled by today it will be for 1 or 2 things.
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