That's the thing will this career. Its a bunch of pilots taking s h i t t y jobs while constantly telling themselves "it'll be better when I get to company A, I just have to hold out until I get _____, honey it will just be for a few more years, once I upgrade and get to _______ we can get married, buy a house, start a family, im miserable now but once I get to ______ it will all be better, if I just suck it up with these 5 roommates until I get to _______ then ill be living the high life with a great schedule" blah blah blah. Don't you see? Talk to guys who are in their 40's and above who are finally getting that "good schedule" and "decent pay".....more than half of them are either single or divorced and have nothing except a child support payment and big empty closet to hang their lonely uniform in. You think landing the 777 once a month makes up for all that? Enjoy your life NOW. Do what you love but don't who're yourself out for promise of a brighter future flying the "big iron". That's all this career is. Empty promises. Do what you love, stay true to yourself and your loved ones. If the career comes, great. Take it from me, you do not want to be that 30 year 747 captain who has to pickup 95 hours a month to pay his 4 wives house payments. When you die, you can't take siht with you. Ok im done, I think you guys understand.

 

I totally agree with you that working at a regional needs to be a good job with good benefits and good pay. I have been stuck at a regional for a lot longer than I ever dreamed and I should be compensated for the important job I do.

If you look at 9E, those guys have decided the same thing, they have held out and voted down any contract that does not move this industry forward.

I'm glad ASA and XJT have made strides in bettering the jobs of regional pilots, you need to understand that the guys at 9E have sacrificed and fought to do the same.

To ridicule them is a dishonor to the fight they are fighting.

 

Very well said. Bravo!

 

I'm glad at least some see the irony......9e pilots would have gotten ****ed on for accepting TA1, and now they are still getting ****ed on for having a '99 contract because they held their ground....and it is the same people doing the ****ing no matter what...

 

come on mooney you know how it is. We all have to pi ss so it might as well be on someone we think we are better than. What makes me laugh is that all these people talking on here that "think" they are at a better regional where they "think" they have moral superiority. In reality all they did was interview and get hired just like the rest of us. What person in their right mind sits back and says, "Ohhh I am going to hold out for my dream regional job with ASA/Skywest/Express Jet/Pinnacle/Mesaba/or whatever." If anyone is saying that then they are in the wrong business because they haven't done their homework. Regionals are just that. Regionals. No regional owns their flying. They are all working under a contract for someone else. Once that contract is up they get to hope that they get it renewed. As we have seen some places are not getting those contracts renewed. Or they are getting beaten down and now the places that were so good to be at have people on the street and planes being parked. And that is the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is the company loses the contracts, goes into bankruptcy, and then forces the pilots into a new contract that they dont want or like. And thats if they survive the bankruptcy and dont end up putting everyone on the street.


Pinnacle, while it lacks in many areas, has been good to me for over 5 years. I have a job where I live. I haven't been furloughed. I haven't been displaced. I haven't had to worry about my next pay check. Yes there are a lot of things that need to change and hopefully they will be fixed soon with the real contract we deserve, not the one they tried to give us over a year ago. Is it the same for everyone here? No. Some people came as street captains and got put back in the right seat. Some came here and have been on reserve for the last 2 years when reserve used to only last a few months. There are a lot of things that need help. However someone acting like they have moral superiority just because they HAPPEN to be at what they PRECIEVE to be a high end regional is laughable at best.

 

Said very well , I agree areas here need help, but this place has been good to many people. And at the same token has been bad to many people.

The story does go both ways, and there is no perfect regional , even though some people out there seem to think so.....

So sad

 

Does anyone know why they only scheduled 3 days worth or negotiations if they are so close? Lawyer conflicts? Management or Union conflicts? Also, I am still trying to figure out what this "Deadline" is? If there is no TA at the end of the deadline and it is not extended again, what happens? Who set the deadline, was it management or the union?
IF the negotiations are extended again, I think it would be in their best interst to schedule them next week or at least before christmas. If not, they need not worry about snow or ice, as there will likely be a system wide meltdown.

 

I finally had a chance to listen to the XJ conference call, and our MEC says that management is setting the deadlines.

They said that they are going to try to wrap up everything and leave the financial items last (insurance, pay).

They believe if it comes to the deadline and just those few items are left, they will extend again to wrap it up soon after.

 

How could it be the union (9e union) with the conflicts....they have the whole month of dec off they should be avail 24/7....dont get me started on the merger committee guys they also got the whole month of dec off. Must be nice to have the whole month off!!!

 

That's not what this job has become. That is what 99% of America has become. We have given away everything that made this place great... Just walk through security and see how we bend over backwards to NOT offend those that are most likely to be those posing the greatest threat.
You may well have kept from offending them, you just offended me instead. Face it there is NO way to NOT offend someone for the sake of political correctness. All that will do is create opportunities for the next nut bomber.