JetBlast77

Wow. This contract will truly never happen. I really understand now. Its not the whole "you can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink" argument....its first trying to convience someone that they are a horse in the first place. What i mean by this is that these guys arent conspiring against us, they truly believe they are right. Sadly they will never look at the presentation by the XJT MEC, so they most likely will never see what this system can truly be. I think someone said it earlier and it makes a lot of sense: ask yourself one question. If flightline is such a massive concession for the XJT guys (and it is) that they are unwilling to accept it, then logic would tell you that what they are proposing must be a massive improvement to what the ASA guys have now. If we arent willing to switch to anything less than what we have now, then this would have to be equal at the very least. Management WILL NOT sign a contract containing flightline unless its without vacation low, this system provides those same benifits but does not require it. So even if we agree to flightline it would have to be without vacation low, are you guys ok with that? I know we arent.

name10135

SmartPref is being run parallel to the EWR and CLE secondary bid schedule this week. (For February, Relief Line holders, & Reserves)

IIRC we have already run a solution for EWR on the January schedule, and most of those awards were manually placed by Crew Scheduling.

So, there is, and will be HARD data for your JNC / MEC to look at if they want to.

Leroy Smith

So, following your line of reasoning: you have it firsthand (or even a reliable second hand) from someone in Mgmt (who actually has the juice to make it a reality) that XJT managment is anxious to sign on to a system that is a "massive improvement" over what we ASA guys have now. You guys must be really good to talk them into that. The stars are really lining up. Isnt it great to be the smartest guys in the room? By the way, Ive got a really nice bridge to sell you. Goes over the East River, Roebling built it, great investment.
For you my friend, I make special deal.....

Talk about not knowing you are a horse.... Some posters on these interweb boards seem to have it all figured out, really KNOW what management wants. Absolutely KNOW what the "other" MEC thinks, wants, did or said behind closed doors. Turns out, they are not just conspiring against you, but sadly delusional and need to be saved from themselves.

Too much "who's right" instead of 'what's right". Any PBS is simply a marginally interactive system for turning pairings into lines. Those on either side who are getting wrapped around the axle over any of it, well, good luck with that. So many bigger fish to fry. Yes, the jetlinkers are in all likelyhood headed down the primrose path trying to re-invent the wheel. And yes the candlers are not be giving this new wheel the benefit of the doubt. But a couple of years from now, no one will give a flying $&#@. Either system will be turning pairings into lines. The quality of the pairings and the other 99% of the contract (you know, the stuff that is actually worth getting worked up over) will be the major factors determining our QOL. Flightline vs Smartpref is worth debating, it does have some consequences, but how about a little perspective. While everyone is arguing over who gets to call the plays, the game is being lost.

ja2c

Page after page, Mine is bigger than yours. Pull it out and prove it. Stop saying it's better. Say WHY it is better.

Saabs

Would the ASA guys even want a joint contract and SLI? Isn't united a scope like deltas, as in Expressjet is gonna lose half their fleet like Pinnacle?

Honest question.....

JetBlast77

The way UAL scope reads and the current XJT CPA, XJT has replacment rights to a certain amount of the larger RJs. If the full terms of the UAL scope are exercised, it would be a loss of approx 40 aircraft within 5 years on the L-XJT side. This is if they parked all the 50 seaters they possibily could and we saw no growth anywhere else. As i understand it, management is currently trying to figure out how to stay in the Delta Connection business long term now that PNCLs rates are so cheap. Both sides arent exactly in a rosey situation.

JetBlast77

I honestly dont know how many more examples I could possibily post on here across various threads.

Captain Tony

Prime example of "someone on the interweb who claims they have inside track info".

CPAs ("Capacity Purchase Agreements") are agreements between managements. You have no idea what's in them, or how often they are modified. You are claiming something you "heard" and can never prove. Fact is, you have no idea how your CPA was modified when it became a deal between SkyWest and UAL. I'm so tired of your side trying to throw your CPA in our faces and claim you have the upper hand. It's almost becoming laughable.

The bottom line is that because your side has come up with every reason under the sun to drag out and torpedo this JCBA, your side is now being drug to an arbitrator to have an "industry standard" CRJ-900 rate imposed. And of course, it will be whipsawed against our side. You only have yourselves to blame, so quit trying to spin anything into a rosy picture, and quit trying to tell us how YOUR ACQUIRED AIRLINE has the upper hand in anything.

Saabs

Whoa there space troll cowboy. Didn't Skywest acquire Asa in the same manner? Pretty sure Asa didn't buy expressjet, some Mormons did.

Captain Tony

Semantics. Actually, SkyWest Inc (the parent company) gave its subsidiary, Atlantic Southeast the money to purchase ExpressJet, who purchased it, made it a wholly owned subsidiary of Atlantic Southeast, and then later merged it with Atlantic Southeast. So regardless of where the money actually changed hands, your nearly bankrupt company was acquired. Get over it. No word smithing will change that. You have no upper hand. And I doubt religion has anything to do with it at all.