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Old 12-04-2013 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by What

The terms of the Frontier sale were not announced, I would suspect that RAH kept a good chunk of Frontier's debt, I don't see the sale being a favorable one for RAH.
Nope,try again:

“Under the terms of the stock purchase agreement, which has been approved by the Company’s board of directors, the buyer will acquire all of the outstanding shares of Frontier in a transaction valued at approximately $145 million, of which $36 million (subject to certain adjustments under the purchase agreement) is to be paid in cash for the equity of Frontier and the balance is indebtedness that will be retained by Frontier. As part of the transaction, under a separate agreement, the Company will assign to Frontier all of the Company’s rights under agreements relating to the Company’s Airbus A320neo order for additional cash consideration.”
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Old 12-04-2013 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Not saying I disagree with you but AA had one of the largest aircraft orders in history (to that date) right before they went into BK.
AA's bankruptcy was a sham to gut employee wages/benefits-period.How can a bankrupt company try to give an ex-ceo $20M ? AA had a cash balance of $4 BILLION DOLLARS.Read all about it:

The Morality of the American Airlines Chapter 11 Reorganization
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Old 12-04-2013 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by frankwasright
Nope,try again:

“Under the terms of the stock purchase agreement, which has been approved by the Company’s board of directors, the buyer will acquire all of the outstanding shares of Frontier in a transaction valued at approximately $145 million, of which $36 million (subject to certain adjustments under the purchase agreement) is to be paid in cash for the equity of Frontier and the balance is indebtedness that will be retained by Frontier. As part of the transaction, under a separate agreement, the Company will assign to Frontier all of the Company’s rights under agreements relating to the Company’s Airbus A320neo order for additional cash consideration.”
This wasn't the final sale, the final sale agreement hasn't been made public. I am not saying that RAH will file BK, but one can't turn around and ignore the fact that they have underbid several contracts and RAH has the most labor unrest out of all the regionals. Again, not saying they will file BK but one has to pay particular attention to what happens as attrition continues, the Ejet continue to appear and staffing gets very tight. There are many ERJs running around that Bedford already said will be sacrificed if it comes to it. I hope things don't go down in flames at RAH but many of the RAH folks here say things aren't pretty there.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 11:24 AM
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Yea but quitting on the 4th day of training is indicative of a problem child. At least get on line before ya start whining. He prob did himself a favor though
Why, so he can saddle himself with a two-year training agreement?

It doesn't take very long for a person who's been around the block a time or two to realize a disorganized, dysfunctional mess after only a few days. I certainly did, but in my case, it had been a while since RJET had done any new hire training of note and I mistakenly let them off the hook for that reason, not realizing that ever aspect of life/work at RJET would be the same.

I know of very few people who work at RJET that would say that it's not a poorly-run company. Perhaps instead of implying that this person was a "problem child," one should be congratulating his remarkable perceptivness.

...and yes, he clearly did himself a favor.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
I didnt know having a good contract and getting paid was a risk. Hey didnt RAH make it on forbes top ten most likely to go bankrupt in the next 5 years?
Nope. It was some internet blog and is was supposed to happen 'in the next 12 months.'

I believe that was two years ago.

RJET, without the ability to pass Frontier's losses and operating costs on to the FFD side via, among many other things, pro-rate contracts with itself, will be at least a $25-35 million dollar a quarter winner, even with an industry-leading pilot contract.

I think that this is why the company is suddenly so hot to lock the pilots into a new CBA....they don't want us to see the books of a Frontier-free quarter.

An RJET bankruptcy should be the last thing on anyone's "worry list."

Now, don't mistake my rebuff of the bankruptcy notion as an endorsement of RJET for employment. It is not a good place to work.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Why, so he can saddle himself with a two-year training agreement?

It doesn't take very long for a person who's been around the block a time or two to realize a disorganized, dysfunctional mess after only a few days. I certainly did, but in my case, it had been a while since RJET had done any new hire training of note and I mistakenly let them off the hook for that reason, not realizing that ever aspect of life/work at RJET would be the same.

I know of very few people who work at RJET that would say that it's not a poorly-run company. Perhaps instead of implying that this person was a "problem child," one should be congratulating his remarkable perceptivness.

...and yes, he clearly did himself a favor.
Good you agree with me
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Old 12-04-2013 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by frankwasright
Nope,try again:

“Under the terms of the stock purchase agreement, which has been approved by the Company’s board of directors, the buyer will acquire all of the outstanding shares of Frontier in a transaction valued at approximately $145 million, of which $36 million (subject to certain adjustments under the purchase agreement) is to be paid in cash for the equity of Frontier and the balance is indebtedness that will be retained by Frontier. As part of the transaction, under a separate agreement, the Company will assign to Frontier all of the Company’s rights under agreements relating to the Company’s Airbus A320neo order for additional cash consideration.”
Two investment firms interested in Frontier Airlines - The Denver Post

I'm not sure what to think. Articles like this one from April mention $1 billion in debt and lease obligations, but the recent sale articles make no mention of such a large amount. So is the bulk if that debt the lease obligations, or is RAH assuming additional debt and hoping no one notices? Like I said, I have no idea, but the numbers just don't seem to add up from what was reported in April vs. today.

Indianapolis-based Republic bought Frontier out of bankruptcy in 2009 for $109 million, plus the assumption of $1 billion in debt and aircraft lease obligations.

A prospective buyer might pay up to $50 million for Frontier, then invest up to an additional $150 million to recapitalize the airline. It would also take on the carrier's debt, placing the total value of the deal at roughly $1 billion, according to Dow Jones.
Either way, it baffles me how many bad decision after bad decision Bedford is allowed to make, and the RJET BOD continues to retain him as CEO. I'd be furious if I were an investor.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EricJ320
I'm not sure what to think. Articles like this one from April mention $1 billion in debt and lease obligations, but the recent sale articles make no mention of such a large amount. So is the bulk if that debt the lease obligations, or is RAH assuming additional debt and hoping no one notices? Like I said, I have no idea, but the numbers just don't seem to add up from what was reported in April vs. today.
Basically, Frontier doesn't own most of its planes thus has no real assets and only debt. I'm not sure if they even own one of them.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EricJ320
Two investment firms interested in Frontier Airlines - The Denver Post

I'm not sure what to think. Articles like this one from April mention $1 billion in debt and lease obligations, but the recent sale articles make no mention of such a large amount. So is the bulk if that debt the lease obligations, or is RAH assuming additional debt and hoping no one notices? Like I said, I have no idea, but the numbers just don't seem to add up from what was reported in April vs. today.



Either way, it baffles me how many bad decision after bad decision Bedford is allowed to make, and the RJET BOD continues to retain him as CEO. I'd be furious if I were an investor.
I recall the billion dollars in debt! Who owns that debt today is a mystery, we'll find out soon enough!
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Old 12-04-2013 | 02:27 PM
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the billions of debt are from emb 170 and 145 financing. most of the 145s and all of the 170/5 fleet are owned. they are financed through purchase financing and the debt is secured by the airplanes as collaterals. froentier doesnt have this, therefore no purchase fianancing.

most likely indigo will use the same method as spirit and will utilise operating lease financing, instead of purchase lease financing.

in the case of rah aircraft, they can always go abck to the banks and reduce the amount of debt and align them with current values of aircraft. the same way they did with 145s last year.
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