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Old 03-28-2015, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thevagabond View Post
I see you're an FO which means you've been hired somewhat recently. You're actually the problem for choosing to come here and work for these rules. If people would quit showing up for classes then we'd have a new contract. Thanks for being the problem!
I am a relatively new hire FO at RAH and I find it comical that you insinuate I am the problem with why negotiations aren't going your way. I came to RAH because it was the best move for me and my family situation (still is, and I'm happy to be here). I am not thrilled about the contract and want it to be better just like the next guy, we are all on the same team.

Telling a guy who just started class that HE is the problem is laughable. No, he wasn't involved for the last 8 years screwing around, that's all on you. Picking up OT is more detrimental to negotiations than the 15 new hires a month. Hell, we still have a negative number of pilot growth almost for a year running.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:11 PM
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I am a relatively new hire FO at RAH and I find it comical that you insinuate I am the problem with why negotiations aren't going your way. I came to RAH because it was the best move for me and my family situation (still is, and I'm happy to be here). I am not thrilled about the contract and want it to be better just like the next guy, we are all on the same team.

Telling a guy who just started class that HE is the problem is laughable. No, he wasn't involved for the last 8 years screwing around, that's all on you. Picking up OT is more detrimental to negotiations than the 15 new hires a month. Hell, we still have a negative number of pilot growth almost for a year running.
How in the world was Republic the best choice for you? When literally every other regional airline is hiring? You pick the absolute bottom of the barrel where morale is in the gutter and pilots are fleeing in droves. You must like that shinny 175.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:15 PM
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What's so funny? It's the truth of the matter. The only leverage contractors have to increase pay, work rules, and benefits in aviation in the US today is if they can't entice workers to work for them. That's the only upward pressure on wages and benefits for the regionals. Although with respect to the wholly owned US/AA feeders that law of economics seems to not apply.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog View Post
How in the world was Republic the best choice for you? When literally every other regional airline is hiring? You pick the absolute bottom of the barrel where morale is in the gutter and pilots are fleeing in droves. You must like that shinny 175.
And then there's this. You had presumably a wide choice of airlines to choose from. I'm not going to attack you for choosing RAH. However you did come to an airline where there have been fruitless negotiations for eight years. And the only reason they're negotiating is because they have to to attract new hires. But hey, it's our fault and you've played no part in alleviating the pressure on them. Right?
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thevagabond View Post
What's so funny? It's the truth of the matter. The only leverage contractors have to increase pay, work rules, and benefits in aviation in the US today is if they can't entice workers to work for them. That's the only upward pressure on wages and benefits for the regionals. Although with respect to the wholly owned US/AA feeders that law of economics seems to not apply.
Well I'm sure the $12000 or whatever the bonus is helps attract pilots. I love listening to the new guys talk about why they took a job at RAH! We would have had a contract within a few months, if newhires did not show up! Yes you took away leverage from the pilot group!
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:44 PM
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Agreed. Because of all the information available on the internet people can really make an informed decision before hiring on. Management peeps aren't idiots. Hence their redoubled efforts to make this an enticing place. I wish the motives were more altruistic than that. I've been unusually chatty today so I'm going to slink back into observation mode only for awhile. I hope I'm wrong about the Toonsters and that we're voting on a worthy TA soon.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:56 PM
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Im all for educating potential new hires so they can make the best possible decision. Attacking a pilot for his/her choice of airline is asinine. We dont know anyones circumstances or reasoning behind the decisions they make. Frankly its no ones business. Someone I know recently chose to work at RAH so he could be based at home and see his infant son as often as possible. Zero chance I could criticize that decision. Educating potential new hires is great and effective. That said, even rah is the right choice for some.
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Old 03-28-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by thevagabond View Post
Congratulations on becoming the first member of my ignore list. Adios.
Well, since you're not reading this, I'll just state for the record that it's a distinct pleasure being on the "ignore" list of someone who so deeply lacks even a basic understanding of how an individual's selfish actions have consequences that drastically affect others.
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Old 03-28-2015, 03:25 PM
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A minor correction, I get 200%. I do not pick up open time. When the mood strikes me, I will pickup a call from crew sked and ask for 200%. I get it 25% of the time. Did that for a few months before the $15 was offered.



I work a different job when I can. If the company wants to pay me 350$ to work 5 hours, I am stupid enough to take it since my other job only pays 35-40$ an hour. But hey, you know it all including my situation and my responsibilities.
Insulting fellow pilots shows us how clever you really are congratulations
As someone mentioned before, how is life on "planet me"? We ALL have responsibilities, and I can GUARANTEE that mine outweigh yours sevenfold, but you don't see me picking up OT. You should email our NC every time you pick up a trip and confess. See if you feel shame for stabbing your brethren in the back. Enjoy the money and I'm glad that your "responsibilities" are being taken care of. For some reason I think that beer in the fridge is a good example of some of yours.
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RAH is the worst place to be currently, apart from Envoy......
This place is going to do an Envoy soon (as in major attrition)!! Send all your enemies here. Revenge is a dish best served cold

The only good part is Crew sked has been giving me 200% on my day off. 8 hrs to fly a turn (block of 3 hrs). I feel bad about "helping" the company, but as an FO with a pathetic pay rate and no cancellation pay, I'll have to take it.

Guess what. You are part of the problem. A contract with cancellation pay gets farther away every time you step into an airplane on your day off. Pick up flying from other crew members if you need the money
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