Y'all are **** heads.... can anyone explain this constant replying to trolls and attempts to hurt our bargaining positions on a public forum?

Is that a rhetorical question? Or do you honestly believe that anonymous users on a public forum have any bearing on how the company bargains? I can see it now in front of the NMB, "We know we've been dead locked on certain issues, but after reading DENpilot on APC we know they will take this!"

Give me a break, and don't call your fellow pilot's names.

So there’s absolutely nothing suspicious about 3 brand new user names having a pro Spirit TA conversation on this forum at this point in mediation? And all the new names are in complete agreement. It almost seems one person has multiple user names and is having a conversation with him or herself. We’ve been in negotiations for nearly 2 years, and in mediation for over 15 months. Your timing stinks.

Therapy Session joined APC on 04FEB.

I cannot BELIEVE I’m seeing a pilot try to rationalize the completely outrageous cost of F9 insurance. Premiums, surcharges, copays... everything is ASTRONOMICALLY higher than anything I’ve ever seen at any other company. Airline or not.

Bottom line is Indigo has weaseled their way out of paying anything they can avoid and passed ALL of those costs directly to the employees.

This should not be an argument about which pilot pays more to subsidize another pilot (but nice job trying to get us at each other’s throats, just like Indigo wants, rather than unified against those tyrannical oppressors). This should be about making indigo cover more of the cost and relieving their employees from the burden, like EVERY OTHER company out there.

I agree. Our healthcare is pretty crummy. Does anybody know what dollar amount extra it would take on a per hour basis for us to just say screw it and buy our own healthcare?

I don't know where that would equal out. If the company said we will give you ask, plus an extra 20 per hour but you pay health care. Is that a good deal?

Ha ha wow just wow. Have you seen how much private insurance plans are? Good try though.

I’ve checked and I can buy my high deductible plan on the open market for about $50 to $70 more than what’s coming out of my check from Frontier. I’m single and have the high deductible plan combined with an HSA. Frontier also contributes somewhere around $50 per month to my HSA, so you’d really have to add that in to make an accurate comparison. For me, it’d cost me $125-ish more per month in the open market.

I don’t know what the high deductible plan costs a pilot for a family—again, net of the company’s HSA contribution, but my brother is self-employed and pays roughly $900/month for his family of 4.

The problem is, what is coming out of your paycheck at F9 is WAY more than other airlines for crummy insurance. Legacy pilots are only paying 20% of their premiums, other majors 20-25%. Regionals 30%ish. From an insurance perspective my former regional was cheaper. Our cost is close to free market cost because we pay sooo much. A family low deductible free market plan is going to cost a lot more than 900 on the free market.
I honestly don’t know why we are are talking about this, we work for a billion dollar company that just got a huge tax benefit. Their revenues will just keep growing each year. We should have good insurance options.....very reasonable insurance options.

To answer your question no, I have not seen. Which is why I posted the question. You and Openclimb have different views though, so this is obviously something we need to research and discuss.

Large companies get huge group discounts when they buy insurance for their employees.
You will never beat the price and coverage on the free market. I honestly feel like pounding my head into a wall right now. This shouldnt be a discussion. Companies that make as much as F9 typically, usually, almost always have great insurance for their employees. F9 right now is an exception. In all honesty the coverage is good, but the cost is not.
I’ve got nothing else to say about this.