RA777 where in our PPM does it say you are guaranteed any time off? The only section I've read pertaining to time off is the reserve section which gives you 10 or 11 dependent on the calendar month length.

To my knowledge, limited obviously, I have not seen any resolute number of days off or more specifically days of unassigned duty. The only pilots with days labeled as off are reserves.

Pilots are constantly being awarded trips at MDG. Pilots of all seniorities. 85 to 100+ credit hour lines and no ability to drop a trip. At the MDG and no drops that easily takes you to less than 9 days off. If it were just the junior guys getting the terrible schedules, you'd have a debatable point, but it is occurring throughout my entire domicile.

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Pay is a problem at Skywest, its a problem at every regional, regardless if Skywest pays more than others, its a big problem.

So, if its the company comes to the pilots with an offer when they want, what is stopping the pilots from coming to the company when they want? There's no CBA, so there's no set time table. Pilots go to the company and say WE want this. You don't even have to use the "U" word, they will figure that out by virtue of the pilots coming to them often enough. What are they going to do, make you work at a regional?

Are you even out of new hire training yet?

And yet you think you know how the rest of the pilot group should have voted?

Since we didn't get a raise last year, and weren't going to get a raise in 2 out of the 4 years of this package, you think I should of voted yes to take care of you.

Agreed, pay is a problem. It is not enough and it will never be even close to correct or to major airline pay.

The company has no obligation to negotiate union or not. Look how's it's gone for all the guys with a union. In order for a union to be effective a pilot group needs leverage which none of us currently have although I "think" it's coming.

It's not leverage against the regional management I'm referring to, but leverage on mainline management. However, if the feed becomes too expensive then they do the flying themselves. This is what most of us (regional guys) are hoping will happen.

Read the Rand report.

Since you know so much about the voting history and past pay packages why don't you tell us how long it was when we last voted no until we got a new package. Or did you not know that?

I'll give you a hint. It wasn't years.

If you can think past your first 12 months it might make some sense why this package was overwhelmingly turned down.

qft.





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When companies read, hear, or see that their inner glee lights up. It shouldn't even be about winning and losing, it should be about mutual satisfaction. Things are greatly out of balance.

What are lines like for a junior guy in MSP and how many days off are people getting there?

10 days off per month, 87 hours on average in MSP. Absolutely horrid schedules.

Chazbird, SAPA has gone to the company countless times (as far as I know) and said "here is what we want" and each time the company laughs at us and goes "ya, okay."

Something to look forward to.

I appreciate the reply. Can you elaborate on the "horrid schedules?" I'm a newb and want to know what my future might look like.