People used to say the same thing about the institution of marriage.

Exactly.....But you dont..

Thanks, I think. My wife will wholeheartedly agree that I am not perfect. Sometimes thin skinned, often hardheaded.

Still not clear on your MB vs. ALPA merger policy question, but will take a stab at it.

I think ALPA merger policy is binding on the parties, but it seems that Lee Seham did find a loophole that no group had ever tired before. Seems that a NEW union has the right to negotiate any and all sections of the contract it inherits. That's the legal standing right now. The big caveat is that the new union has the duty of fair representation to ALL of it's new members. That's a new point of argument between east and west, what makes the new SLI "fair"? If the AA merger fails and we ever get to DFR II will DOH with conditions and restrictions be measured against the Nicolau award, or past integrations or what? Will the fact that our transition agreement called for a joint contract before the SLI could be used and we were at an impasse have any bearing? I have no idea and won't wade into that one.

MB is federal law that covers employees not in the same union. You are right that it is similar to ALPA merger policy(some think that it dictates DOH, which it doesn't). Doug Parker said in a crew news session(filmed management/crew powwow that happens about once a month in PHX and CLT training centers) that because it is federal law that it really would be binding. I don't know if that was his opinion, or his lawyers or what. More binding? I don't know.

The main thing that will be different in this merger than US/AWA will be that we will have a joint contract first. The SLI will come in last and pretty much go into effect. I don't know if USAPA has cleared the DFR hurdle or not, but I think a SLI that is put into place makes that hurdle much higher.

Everybody learned from our merger. Too late for us though.

WOW, miracles can happen. I completely agree with this.

Now this I don't know about:

"Now lets face it, anything that usapa comes up with will be a far cry from what the arbitrator ruled thus HARM."

I have had some lengthy discussion with a west friend over this. Unions alter CBAs all the time and sometimes certain groups come out on the short end of the stick. I don't think that automatically means harm. What if we'd never formed USAPA, stayed in ALPA and over 5 years the pilot group failed to ratify a contract because it wasn't good enough to make up for the Nicolau award? If ALPA then changed the Nic in some way would they automatically be guilty of DFR violation? I don't think so, but don't know in this situation. I will say that I think that if USAPA continues down the same path our former leaders did there is a really good chance they would lose DFR II.

You go with that thought

WD at AWA

Ok lets just cut to the chase and see what you come up with. Go ahead and give it your best shot. What would you do????

Cant wait to see this

WD at AWA

Do with what?

Dont be coy its not becoming of a man of your obvious high morals.

You boast that usapa can come up with something that can make in under the bar of DFR so what is it?? Here is your opportunity to show us all just what that is.

See i know you can not, as the harm has already been done but under our system of the law, one can not sue for what one WOULD have earned had other events taken place. So we all need to see that collective agreement in order to bring suit.

The minute that new hires took captain seats it sealed your fate because it went against your very principle of DOH but you never saw that did you? Lee Seham with his great stall maneuver ran out time and when he pointed this out you promptly fired him. The east was so hell bent on trying to destroy us out here that the obvious just slipped past.

WD at AWA

Man were do you get your material??
Maybe ToHo is right about something in the water out there in the desert!!
You keep pulling rabbits out of thin air....Phew..I need a break from this guy.

Are a lot of you westies realated, or at least did you attend the same school system? The reason I ask is because reading comprehension is missing out there.

I said "I don't know".

New hires took captain seats? Fill me in on that one. But first read TA-9, the USAPA grievance TA-9 Furlough Out of Seniority. I'm sure it's new to you.

That is the last time I will give you any credit.