Whats the hourly rate on that 2 year upgrade?

Less then the big 3 second FO pay, without looking it up i think its around 117

For anyone Hired 3/1/16 on, rates may vary slightly for anyone already on property, but it's negligible so I didn't bother...YES we need raises, but not as a TRADE for any WORK Rules...

CA. FO
1. $118.78 $37.59
2. $119.82 $67.85
3. $125.23 $77.48
4. $132.28 $81.83
5. $141.38 $87.46
6. $144.55 $89.40
7. $147.32 $91.13
8. $150.71 $93.23
9. $153.41 $94.89
10. $156.11 $96.57
11. $158.87 $98.28
12. $161.68 $100.01
13. $164.19 $100.01
14. $166.68 $100.01

Oh I almost forgot...2 year upgrades will quickly start lengthening again for anyone not hired in say the next 6 months, unless another Aircraft Order is announced. Frontier's 1 trick hiring pony will evaporate after this year, coinciding nicely with the big 3 increasing hiring! Hopefully this will give us some negotiating leverage!

2 year upgrades are already over.

People getting hired today are looking at closer to 4 years.

I base this statement on the fact that a newhire today will be number ~1000 on the list. The most Jr upgrade just recently awarded was ~64% down the list (many continue to bypass.)

In order for a newhire today (#1000) to achieve the ~64% mark we need to have ~1600 pilots on property.

If 1000 pilots staff ~56 planes then 1600 pilots staff ~90 airplanes.

What's our growth plan guys? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how we have 90 airplanes 2 years from today.

Also as upgrades go deeper, bypassers will get off the fence because they won't be commuting to reserve, etc. Possibly bringing that ~64% number closer to ~60%

And, attrition among those above the most most junior upgrade is scant.

You quoted the wrong pay table. The one you quoted doesn't happen until 2017. The correct pay table starting tomorrow (03/01/2016) provides rates approximately 4% lower than what you quoted.

I'd type it out, but I'm lazy and I'm working from my iPad and it'd be a PITA.

Righto sir!

I always like Aero's posts. Although it appears to be too much of that Colorado legal stuff or Koolaid.

F9 does have some of the best crews to work with. That can not be argued. But the posts about narrow body FO at the legacies making more than an Ca at F9 is the problem. And that's at year 3. Don't forget about the 16% into retirement, and better cheaper health care.

But at least you can pay a surcharge for your spouse and kids here. And Make lowest pay, lose money when you're displaced or don't take extensions, and stay in horrible hotels. They better wake up. Pilots now have a choice, work somewhere good or here. Wait, I know a great solution....implement a training contract??? Two year upgrade? That sounds great but getting fo's to sit in those seats is about to be an issue.

Sorry Aero.

I quoted that table bc it would apply for anyone hired from 3/1/16 on. they would make $37.59 first year, and then that table would apply on 3/1/2017

I agree with you. We have a lot of work cut out to get a contract that is anywhere near industry standard. I think we will get a big pay raise, but it'll be a long, hard fight to get it. In the mean time, we are growing fast and could be a place to get some seniority quickly.

FlyMonkey is right on que! Good post!