The thing is, the reason we got bonuses was because of demand. For once we actually have leverage. But, I agree with accepting either proposal because it secures that money. Let the company come back later when we're not filling classes again with something better. That's the only reason we have a 23k bonus now is because of demand. Get it done, extend the contract some and let flow, pay etc be their idea. The well will dry up and the regional musical chairs will slow. I Don't think now is the time to be digging deep.

Off discussion question....looking to change out my 750 and browsing the good ol eBay and seeing these UFQ aviation headsets. Anyone heard of these?

Just a thought, how about splitting the difference? Add $11.50/hr and $11,500 yearly


That would work out to:

75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)

At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.

All the Red Blanket Inns are now closed in NYC!

You could but the whole point to keeping it hourly is because we are paid by the minute.

I want the full rate of what I can make for every minute the brake is dropped.

And it increases your time and half also.

Yeah I see where you are coming from, and I can see where those who make only guarantee are coming from too. Seems like this would be a decent compromise between the two. Like they say, a good compromise is when both sides are slightly unhappy :/.

Another consideration is why would the company be willing to go with what they proposed?

They know they would have to pay a few pilots only marginally more where they would paying a much bigger majority a lot less.

When it get used every day it adds up quick.

Base pay should be based on min guarantee, period, since that is the premise behind our pay scheme. Some are willing to work more hours for more money, but not everyone is. A person who averages 100-110 hours a month might be happy with the slight pay increase, but those pulling 75 or close to it won't be happy. And shouldn't be. It's a PAY CUT. At a time when everyone else is raising pay. EDV thinks they can get away with it because the AA WOs are paying slightly less than us right now.

But what if we vote in this pay cut, and AA folks get a bump in pay? Say 5 grand a year, while we go down? What will THAT do for the company?

Yep. And I am happy that it's working out for you. But... your experience isn't the norm for everyone. That was my only point.