Southwest was the place to be in the 2000's because of their pay and contract

Ummm and no one else was hiring for many of those years.
And they made money.
And never furloughed.

What…. The lack of any retirement at all? Lack of disability? The lower rates? What part of their pay/contract was stellar?

What SWA had during the 2000s was financial stability and growth while all the other majors were contracting and merging. Trips through BK court to get rid of pensions, install PBS, and reset pay rates made the legacies able to compete again with the LCCs but resulted in “correcting” their contracts and very little hiring for over 12 hrs.

Does anyone know the effective date of this upcoming system bid?

2 weeks to bid, 3 weeks to close, 120 days to train. I’d guess July/August

It could have multiple effective dates as well.


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Are you serious?! How are they finding anyone, who wasn’t laid off, to work for this pay and at the lengths mentioned for training?

They have applicants lined up to come here. At least until they’re hired by United/Delta. This may sound harsh, but I’m not all that interested in spending negotiating capital on training pay….for what amounts to a blip on the radar in terms of your career. It was 5-6 weeks when I came through. Hopefully it will get back to that soon. Now having said that, the payroll issues after pilots are completing their checkride are inexcusable.

Can I assume they are backpaying these people who don't get on year 1 FO pay right after LOE?

I believe I saw that in an email somewhere.


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