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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I think the opposite of what you are saying is true with respect to inferiority complex when equating bigger planes to bigger paychecks.
Who said suppress any pay? I think if anything I've advocated hard for increasing all pay using the latest ratified major TA as a comp. I'm using your logic about the disparity between 190/320 pay (and the likely future greater disparity) to show you how our 320/321 same pay doesn't make sense. Delta proved you can get good pay rates, even for small airplanes. $10 an hour difference across the board for cs100/320/321 is about what they have. That's a much smaller margin percentage wise than our likely future if there is no real bump to 190 pay and the 320 gets 20%. We will likely be looking at a 20-30% pay difference, up from our already too high 10% difference.
If I was #1 in the company, and I liked the schedule of the 190 better, I would want to fly the 190 if pay was not a consideration. The only thing most of us care about in this industry is pay and time off. And the size of the airplane shouldn't affect that. Seniority and longevity should affect it. And there are zero good arguments to counter that. Tell me some more other than "That's how it's always been. Bigger is better. More people. More revenue. More profit. ALPA/NMB say so." Or explain how any of those are valid. Or explain how wanting and justifying equal pay raises for 1/4th of the pilot group demonstrates inferiority complex. So far, you haven't been able to. Remember how those F15 and B1 drivers made more than you viper guys in their bigger planes? I don't either.
UPS is the extreme of your example if I'm not mistaken. They have CA pay and FO pay. The airframe is irrelevant. The problem many people are doing is tying the 190 pay to the 320 pay. This is what JB did initially ***. The way I think it should be, and the way I would suspect the NC is going about it, is comparing like-airframe across the industry and self-identifying our peer group.
I keep going back to the comparison guide, but that was sent out for 2 reasons. One, to educate us as to where we sit across the board in comparison with our peers. Not just in pay, but vaca, sick, insurance, retirement, work rules, etc...
The other thing is to show who we as a JB pilot group believe our peers are, and what airplanes we're specifically comparing. For pay, the only real variables are airlines, and aircraft. Take a look at the 320/321 airlines/aircraft and the 190 airlines/aircraft that OUR NC committee is using, then come back and tell me where they think we sit in comparison with our peers and where you think the preponderance of resources are going to be allocated.