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04-24-2015 | 09:29 AM
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04-24-2015 | 09:31 AM
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I'd rather try (and have). But the futility is hard to ignore...I've come to the conclusion that the only solution is to GTFO and leave the lifers to take their chances. The regional system has been carefully bred and evolved to function exactly the way it does. The only way to win is to not play...bonus points if you know (without google) where that quote came from .
It sounds like something out of The Matrix. But I get what you are saying. My only thing is that while you are there, you might as well try. Just education makes a difference.
04-24-2015 | 09:33 AM
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Wild ass question: chances of a new hire getting SFO right away? Can I request it as part of being hired, getting it in writing? I am a returning 121 older pilot, not a hobbyist, but have to stay in the bay area. Commuting is really not an option. Thought of Compass where I'd supposedly be a near street hire captain, but would have to commute to LAX. Also, Skywest needs to do the $30-$36 hour first year pay to get me in. Considering the business acumen I've seen, heard, or read about the regionals, my base request and money expectations probably wouldn't line up, no matter how badly they need to get any pilots in the door.
04-24-2015 | 09:36 AM
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Wild ass question: chances of a new hire getting SFO right away? Can I request it as part of being hired, getting it in writing? I am a returning 121 older pilot, not a hobbyist, but have to stay in the bay area. Commuting is really not an option. Thought of Compass where I'd supposedly be a near street hire captain, but would have to commute to LAX. Also, Skywest needs to do the $30-$36 hour first year pay to get me in. Considering the business acumen I've seen, heard, or read about the regionals, my base request and money expectations probably wouldn't line up, no matter how badly they need to get any pilots in the door.
It was common in the past for folks to go to mesa, hoping for a certain equipment/base and then simply walk out of training if they didn't get it. You could always do that. A better option, given all the movement, would be take what you get and then bid into SFO in a month or three. If the music stops for some reason and you got stuck in MSP you could always quit.
04-24-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Think SFO is over for new hires on 175 but not sure
04-24-2015 | 09:45 AM
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I would rather get a base ahead of time rather than walking out of training, but I fully understand the seniority system. How would walking out of training appear on a PRIA record? "Failure to complete training" can be interpreted so many ways.
04-24-2015 | 09:58 AM
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Since the first of March, we have lost 30 pilots with 3000+ numbers. 23 of those have been listed as TRG when they left. That's the point I am making is that it doesn't matter how many we hire or how many people we have in class, if we can't even get them on the line before they are out the door.
04-24-2015 | 10:02 AM
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If a union at a regional doesn't have any power when it comes to getting contracts, then how did awac, horizon, and xjt get theirs?
When the RFP came out from the individual carriers did the MECs of AWAC, Horizon, and XJT write the proposal? Was their counsel sought before the bids were submitted? When / Before the deal was signed were they given the opportunity to review it? Does the MEC make the final decision on whether or not the contract is accepted?
Mainline Management dictates the rates and Regional Management forces compliance. It has happened repeatedly and will continue to happen as long as there are separate regional pilot groups. The lowest bidder will get the contract.
Do you honestly believe that they would have gotten just as much if they were non-union? Don't think so and that's why your argument doesn't hold water.
When the RFP came out from the individual carriers did the MECs of AWAC, Horizon, and XJT write the proposal? Was their counsel sought before the bids were submitted? When / Before the deal was signed were they given the opportunity to review it? Does the MEC make the final decision on whether or not the contract is accepted?
Mainline Management dictates the rates and Regional Management forces compliance. It has happened repeatedly and will continue to happen as long as there are separate regional pilot groups. The lowest bidder will get the contract.
Do you honestly believe that they would have gotten just as much if they were non-union? Don't think so and that's why your argument doesn't hold water.
It's just an example of a pilot group who ended at the top because others came down.
There is no comparison that can / should ever be drawn between a major and regional....except maybe that we fly planes and the same laws of aerodynamics apply in varying degrees
And if there EVER was going to be a regional that can sustain it, it's Skywest. But you rather not even try. That's the mentality that doesn't help. If a pilot group is not willing to try to raise the bar, especially when they are in a position to do so, then the pilot group who is at the top will be brought down. I can't believe I have to even explain this.
There is no comparison that can / should ever be drawn between a major and regional....except maybe that we fly planes and the same laws of aerodynamics apply in varying degrees
And if there EVER was going to be a regional that can sustain it, it's Skywest. But you rather not even try. That's the mentality that doesn't help. If a pilot group is not willing to try to raise the bar, especially when they are in a position to do so, then the pilot group who is at the top will be brought down. I can't believe I have to even explain this.
I wouldn't say we are not willing to try. I am willing to bet within the next 2 years Skywest will vote in a union. MY OPINION. QOL is decreasing for everyone on the seniority list, not just the guys on reserve. It's not a money issue and the company seems intransigent on the work rules. We need a stronger negotiating tool, but the reluctance is because of what I've outlined above.
Regional unions are sometimes in a position to GET contract enhancements, because management doesn't want to deal with disruption in the short-term. KEEPING said enhancements in the regional ecosystem is a whole 'nother issue. Oh yeah, you forget to mention COMAIR. And didn't horizon get industry-leading rates for their jets?
On another note, the offer we currently have from management is not concessionary (on the face of it), but it's ridiculous all the same. The fact that UAL just posted a $582+ million dollar profit is one of many reasons people call 1.00 /.50 a slap in the face.
Nevets, you figure out how to get the entire regional pilot group on one list and under one MEC, I'm in. I'll volunteer to help. Otherwise, a regional union is ineffective. Lowest bidder wins and there is always gonna be a lower bidding...race to the bottom competitor....that's capitalism.
04-24-2015 | 10:03 AM
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How is seniority & base choice assigned in class. Age? Social security? Whats the reserve call out? I figured due to cost of living SFO would be on the low end of desirability and it seems they are putting new equipment for UAL there, right?
04-24-2015 | 10:04 AM
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Every Friday I take the seniority list, drop in Excel, run a compare and see who is not on the list from the previous week.
Since the first of March, we have lost 30 pilots with 3000+ numbers. 23 of those have been listed as TRG when they left. That's the point I am making is that it doesn't matter how many we hire or how many people we have in class, if we can't even get them on the line before they are out the door.
Since the first of March, we have lost 30 pilots with 3000+ numbers. 23 of those have been listed as TRG when they left. That's the point I am making is that it doesn't matter how many we hire or how many people we have in class, if we can't even get them on the line before they are out the door.
Roger. Thanks for the info. I was not aware.
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