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Old 04-24-2015 | 10:15 AM
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How is seniority & base choice assigned in class. Age? Social security? Whats the reserve call out? I figured due to cost of living SFO would be on the low end of desirability and it seems they are putting new equipment for UAL there, right?
Class seniority is done by last. 4 of social with 0000 most senior 9999 most junior. After the bid is out and they see which bases have openings they assign new hires to those slots
Old 04-24-2015 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
How is seniority & base choice assigned in class. Age? Social security? Whats the reserve call out? I figured due to cost of living SFO would be on the low end of desirability and it seems they are putting new equipment for UAL there, right?

You pick/agree to equipment when you accept the class date.

Seniority within class by last four of SSN (lower = senior).

Base assignments start with what is available (ie not taken by old-hires), in seniority order.

Call out 2 hours.

Some folks would of course avoid SFO due to cost, but most pilots who are from the west coast chose SKW given the option...so there will always be some bay area locals who can live with the rents, or have a spouse pulling in bay-area wages. I'd say there's a decent chance you'd get SFO right off the bat, but if not it should only be a month or three (most likely before you complete training, since they run a bid every month).
Old 04-24-2015 | 10:18 AM
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My SS number is slightly below 5000. So I'd need Jimmy the Greek to figure the odds of equipment bases, etc. By age, I'd probably highest seniority in class. Oh well.
Old 04-24-2015 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
My SS number is slightly below 5000. So I'd need Jimmy the Greek to figure the odds of equipment bases, etc. By age, I'd probably highest seniority in class. Oh well.
Most junior pilot in SFO has been here 3 months. He's on the E175.
Old 04-24-2015 | 12:58 PM
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CRJ2 is making money (lots of it). You don't park planes that make money unless someone wants you to fly planes that make even more money (and the E-175 is not it...yet). Why else did SkyWest just grow by 12 CRJ2s for Delta? I know, I know, every industry pundit and pilot and CEO wants to tell you the 50-seaters are gas hogs and money losers and they can't get rid of them fast enough. And yet, they are still going. If the CRJ2 is a money loser, then Air Wisconsin is going to be feeling the heat long before SkyWest will.
Only if they are subsidized by mainline do they make money, remember Independence Air?

Besides, whether or not they make money, you still need the pilots to fly them. My guess is 5 years from now regionals will be nothing but 70-76 seat feed for mainline. In 10 years the regional industry may not even exist.

Regardless of who feels the heat first, every regional with 50 seaters will eventually feel it.
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Only if they are subsidized by mainline do they make money, remember Independence Air?

Besides, whether or not they make money, you still need the pilots to fly them. My guess is 5 years from now regionals will be nothing but 70-76 seat feed for mainline. In 10 years the regional industry may not even exist.

Regardless of who feels the heat first, every regional with 50 seaters will eventually feel it.
Not sure what the subsidy is, but we're FFD. On 6 of 8 flights the passenger count was 50. 2 flights were over 46. Are you saying they sell those seats at a loss. With a 582 million dollar profit, I doubt it.
Old 04-24-2015 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
Not sure what the subsidy is, but we're FFD. On 6 of 8 flights the passenger count was 50. 2 flights were over 46. Are you saying they sell those seats at a loss. With a 582 million dollar profit, I doubt it.
Because the cost per seat/mile is the highest on 50 seaters, those are the hardest to make money on, even full. Check out UAL investor relations to see how many we are parking this year.

As for subsidies, I'd call paying for all the fuel a subsidy.
Old 04-24-2015 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
Because the cost per seat/mile is the highest on 50 seaters, those are the hardest to make money on, even full. Check out UAL investor relations to see how many we are parking this year.

As for subsidies, I'd call paying for all the fuel a subsidy.
Im sure that's in the negotiated contract....the one that allows for the tremendous pilot compensation and profit margins.

They should put mainline plane on the routes covered by RJs.

Why do these "subsidies" exist anyway?
Old 04-24-2015 | 03:59 PM
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"You pick/agree to equipment when you accept the class date".

Which is pick and which is agree? Base? Aircraft? Both? One or the other? So, if they offer me a class date and everyone has already given their social security numbers and it doesn't have SFO for me can I conditionally agree to the next available class that has my base choice available for me (IE SFO)? Seems this would be a win-win-win (a relative term of course). What are they going to do, never consider hiring me because of this? OK fine, but I don't think under this arrangement I would be asking for any favors, and if they aren't up for it, it would be their "loss". I thought about going to a job fair and proposing just this sort of thing to see their reaction.
Old 04-24-2015 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
"You pick/agree to equipment when you accept the class date".

Which is pick and which is agree? Base? Aircraft? Both? One or the other? So, if they offer me a class date and everyone has already given their social security numbers and it doesn't have SFO for me can I conditionally agree to the next available class that has my base choice available for me (IE SFO)? Seems this would be a win-win-win (a relative term of course). What are they going to do, never consider hiring me because of this? OK fine, but I don't think under this arrangement I would be asking for any favors, and if they aren't up for it, it would be their "loss". I thought about going to a job fair and proposing just this sort of thing to see their reaction.
Bases are bid on during training, you won't know what base you get until indoc starts.
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