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Old 06-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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Fixed my mistakes since it wouldn't allowed me to do so above.
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Why does having ATP mins put you above flying a Turboprop? The goal is to make money so who cares if the fan's on the inside or the outside as long as it pays more. And as some have pointed out this isn’t entirely true since our Bro FO’s probably make more than an RAH pilot flying E170/175/190s. The reason why flying TPs leads to flying TFs is because TFs usually pay more not because they’re lesser pilots who need more time to develop. Hell the E120’s far more complicated and requires far better piloting skills than any jet.

Your attitude needs to be checked or you should find a different line of work. I hope for your sake you aren’t as you seem, otherwise I’d prefer you find employment elsewhere.
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He wasn't posting an opinion. He posted what he claimed to be fact and even after being corrected he argued with attitude. SkyWest will run new hire classes filling them with poolies and interview current internal recs before they post that they are hiring. That's the way they've always done it but this guy who doesn't work for SkyWest seems to know better than us bullies.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint View Post
Fixed my mistakes since it wouldn't allowed me to do so above.

There's a time limit on the edit feature (30 or 60 mins IIRC)...keeps people from trying to revise history (timmay types).
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
There's a time limit on the edit feature (30 or 60 mins IIRC)...keeps people from trying to revise history (timmay types).
Yeah, I didn't proof until the limit had passed. My mistake.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:43 PM
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What? If you can fly a Bro, Saab, Dash 8 etc, you will have no problem handling an RJ, or even a 737 for that matter.

The Saab 2000 and Q400 can easily truck along at 280 kts IAS at 10,000'
Not sure about the brasilier but I am under the impression that its pretty quick for a prop too.

I know lots of people that went straight from a Beech 1900 to the right seat of a 737 & 757, for CAL and MD80 for Allegiant.

121 turbine is the key here. I don't even think the PIC time is as important as it used to be considering the number of F.O.'s heading to Spirit and Virgin America lately.

Emb-120 cruises at 245-260 TAS. Indicates around 220 at 10k.
When I was a CA on the Bro I normally saw TASs around 270-280, max was just over 300. The Bro had no problems running 230 IAS below 16,000 and if you really pushed it up you could get 245-250 IAS. The highest ground speed I've ever seen on her was 463 kts with a very nice tailwind. That was a fun airplane with great flying.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:39 PM
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If I was in your shoes I would bid the BRO unless I could be based at home on the jet sooner. I have 1,000 in T-Props and about the same amount of time in a jet and I can tell you that the T-prop was much more fun to fly and better flying. On the BRO you will be going up and down the coast in CA and you won't be just doing 25 mile finals leading to an ILS. Flying a T-Prop is harder than flying a jet as the systems are more complex and it's older technology. Some guys that make an argument that I don't need to know older technology are incorrect because the jet will have similar systems but they will be automatic and you won't learn much about it, by starting in something like the BRO you will learn more about those systems and how they work giving you a solid foundation for the future.

To this day I remember flying my first leg on the CRJ, passing thru 10,000 I said to my self... this is going to be boring, and it was. The jet flying is boring but the jet flying QOL and pay is better than the T-prop. First year pay you will make about the same money in the prop per hr than the jet, I would highly recommend flying the prop for experience and transitioning to the jet your second year.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

I have 4.5 years on the EMB, a little over 1 on the RJ. The RJ is a joke compared the the EMB. Easy and boring. The biggest challenge is staying awake.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Seatownflyer View Post
^^^^^THIS^^^^^

I have 4.5 years on the EMB, a little over 1 on the RJ. The RJ is a joke compared the the EMB. Easy and boring. The biggest challenge is staying awake.
You got used to the airplane dinging some new warning at you a couple of times per leg didn't you?
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint View Post
Why does having ATP mins put you above flying a Turboprop?
I've already spoke to that. I never intended to say I was, and I tried to correct it if I wrote poorly and conveyed that. I was more aluding to the fact that I've had to stick things out this long, and my quality of life has improved much beyond the point where it seems like a massive QOL and pay hit to take to fly a plane that I don't percieve as enough of a step up. Since then, people have come in with multiple opinions of their experience with the Bro that I've found to be thought provoking.


Originally Posted by MatchPoint View Post
The goal is to make money so who cares if the fan's on the inside or the outside as long as it pays more. And as some have pointed out this isn’t entirely true since our Bro FO’s probably make more than an RAH pilot flying E170/175/190s.
I'm not here for the money.



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Your attitude needs to be checked or you should find a different line of work. I hope for your safe you aren’t as you seem, otherwise I’d prefer you find employment elsewhere.
You come in and read half my posts, and you're ready to call me out? Your low attention to detail and willingness to make fast and wrong decisions should be checked.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MatchPoint View Post
He wasn't posting an opinion. He posted what he claimed to be fact and even after being correct he argued with attitude. SkyWest will run new hire classes filling them with poolies and interview current internal recs before they post that they are hiring. That's the way they've always done it but this guy who doesn't work for SkyWest seems to know better than us bullies.
Look dude, I've already backed off a lot of what I said based on several thoughtful responses.

Your attention to detail is dismal. The last time I checked, the Skywest page DID NOT HAVE OPENINGS FOR FOs. What is so hard to understand about that? That IS A FACT. I'm not saying Skywest will never hire again, I've simply spoke to the fact that they are not hiring right now. Perhaps they are gearing to hire, I don't care. I didn't post a lie.....I wasn't corrected. You've even noted yourself that poolies will come first.

Can you or do you read?
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:50 PM
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Johny G. Please take my advice. Settle down, relax a little and use this forum to your advantage. There are some pretty senior people at SkyWest that take the time to post do's and dont's on this forum. Listen to the good stuff, ignore the bad stuff and hold your cards close to your chest.
We are all like a dog with two tails when we first wind up in this industry. A couple of scares, tough decisions, and a few ASAP reports later, and we are humbled enough to only say whats really worth saying.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:21 AM
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Your attention to detail is dismal. The last time I checked, the Skywest page DID NOT HAVE OPENINGS FOR FOs. What is so hard to understand about that? That IS A FACT. I'm not saying Skywest will never hire again, I've simply spoke to the fact that they are not hiring right now. Perhaps they are gearing to hire, I don't care. I didn't post a lie.....I wasn't corrected. You've even noted yourself that poolies will come first.
If present employees tell you the company is hiring and that it doesn't necessarily show up on their web site, that's good enough, isn't it? Why argue the point. The only person not qualified to say they're hiring is you. You don't work there. Your sole qualification is the company web site, and numerous posters have told you that hiring is taking place, classes are in play, and that they're quite aware that it's not announced on the web site.

If the company has classes running, they have classes running. Simple.

I'm a little stymied at your attitude that you're beyond gaining basic experience. You appear to be at a fairly early stage in your career when you could use all the experience you could get. I've moved from turbojets to pistons before, and it's been a step up in quality of life, and pay. I've gone from four engine aircraft to single engine aircraft, and it's been a step up. In fact, I moved from captain on a four engine turbojet to a single engine turboprop and saw a significant increase in pay, and was home more. You might see that as a step down, but I surely don't.

Don't be too quick to dismiss work. Take what you can find. Work you can get is far better than work you cannot. There's something to be learned in everything you do, and something to be gained from every job you take.

At a time when I was furloughed, I found work turning wrenches, where flying wasn't available. That soon lead to some flying; some charter, cargo, and company instruction, and check airman work. It was all piston. I'd been furloughed out of turbojets. I was immensely grateful to be working and flying. The point was struck home by the many furloughed airline pilots who stopped by looking for work. At first, they turned up their noses at the idea of flying a piston airplane, but before long, as they realized how scarce work was, they came back again, hat in hand. Pride takes a back seat to necessity; presently your necessity may be finding work. In your zeal to believe you've progressed beyond certain work, don't be so exclusive in your reasoning that you pass by experience that you need or that might benefit you.
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